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[–] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 70 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

A month ago or there abouts, someone posted the statistical breakdown of voting in the last election to Reddit. In the swing states (only the swing states) there was a larger than normal number of ballots where the only thing voted on was the presidential election (Ie not senate or local things). He proposed that Elon had used data from his lottery to select people who he thought were in it for the money and wouldn't actually vote and voted on their behalf. He made quite a compelling argument.

[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 40 points 11 hours ago (7 children)

I remember reading about that too, but it seems kind of contrived for two reasons.

First of all, we all know it's very easy to lie with statistics. Even if the statistics did seem damning (which is debatable when I read it), that could be from manipulation.

Second, the scheme described would fall apart completely with even a SINGLE recount in ONE swing state. Even just a county wide recount would make the whole house of cards fall apart.

The fact that the current administration has done nothing about this, despite access to some of the best data, analysts, and intelligence in the world, seems to imply that it is most likely not true.

[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 28 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

On the last point there is a precedent to not bother when the Supreme Court is stacked against you, and the Supreme Court of 2000 was outright balanced compared to the kook show of today

When George w won Florida under fairly suspect terms in 2000 gore pushed it a bit and probably should’ve pushed it more. The recount was sketch as fuck, the margin was literally like 500 votes for the entire state, it was later found that a bunch of counties never actually did the recount, George’s brother was the governor, his cousin at Fox News made the first call that Florida and the election went to him, just a lot of fuckery all around. And there was a lot more to it than that but that’s the stuff they couldn’t bring up in court for various reasons.

Gore pushed back and went to the Supreme Court with it and lost.

So say there was strong evidence beyond major statistical anomalies. Do you think the stacked court system isn’t going to do everything possible to shoot down anything possible to actually litigating it? The democrats are well aware the only chance they would possibly have is if they literally had the most airtight evidence known to man of fraud, like elon himself admitting fraud with all the receipts to back it up, and even then they’d probably hit some kind of roadblock

Anyway I think what people are referring to is this letter about bullet ballots:

https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

It’s an interesting point that is unverifiable and could only be investigated by the current admin but see above. Given they only have about 5 hours left and frankly trump has been acting as president since he was elected anyway I don’t think it would matter even if the above was moot

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[–] SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 11 hours ago

Or it's true and they don't want to create the chaos that would ensue from releasing that information and starting a civil war.

Hard to say when things like this exist. https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324-1.pdf

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 12 points 11 hours ago

First of all, we all know it's very easy to lie with statistics. Even if the statistics did seem damning (which is debatable when I read it), that could be from manipulation.

Fwiw I recall seeing someone make the same analysis about high numbers of President-only ballots, only they reached a much less conspiratorial conclusion to explain it. I forget what the explanation was, but if multiple different people are analysing the same data in the same way, especially if their explanation is different, it lends credence to the idea that the analysis itself is fair.

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[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 22 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

That was complete bullshit. The numbers didn't check out. The "only swing state" thing wasn't true and it was pretty easy to verify.

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[–] SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I recall seeing something similar to that but never being able to find anything vetted on it.

Id hate to sound like an election conspiracy theorist but there was a lot of conversation around star link and it being used for the voting machines. Another thing I personally was never able to confirm.

[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think the star link thing would work. It's encrypted... Right???

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[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 hours ago

Poor Barron - I thought he was the best with the cyber.

[–] Darkard@lemmy.world 177 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Remember how every accusation was a confession.

Remember how they wouldn't shut the fuck up about voter fraud, illegals voting, machine tampering.

Notice that suddenly all those problems went away.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 52 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah, I was wondering about this after the last election. The democrats seemed awfully confident there was no fraud... But this is a pretty damning admission.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

AOC's district went more heavily towards Trump. It was everywhere, not just saying states or key districts.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 16 points 9 hours ago

Yeah but she asked her constituents why that was and they said "you're both real. You're authentic, not political trash like the establishment."

... people are right that trump is authentic, he's authentically a piece of shit. I can't believe people still vote for him anyway.

[–] WeUnite@lemm.ee 25 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, it's DARVO (deny, attack, and reverse victim & offender): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Also known as "doing an Israel"

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[–] casmael@lemm.ee 18 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks to everyone who called me a lunatic for suggesting this might have been rigged through ballot stuffing

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 9 hours ago

Americans, especially liberals, have a phobia of calling out mass cheating by authority figures.

It’s like they need law and order so much, they are willing to ignore what is obvious. When a subject is taboo it’s not talked about , not dismissed, not encouraged

If exit polls don’t work in your state, and there is no physical ballot counting. And when tests on precinct numbers show strong suggestion of altering votes and the democrats always always underperform, it’s obviously a new phenomena, totally ok. Let’s just stop predicting elections early based on exit polls!

One such test post election for any state:

Arrange all precincts in the state by population and see if there a curve on the more people there are there, the more percentage of votes a particular candidate gets: if it’s only that candidate and it’s a smooth curve upwards that’s unnatural: California has no such correlation but some other states fail.

One should see a random looking up or down plot, or a straight line, or sorta straight. Not a growth curve. That’s because common tactic world wide to alter computer votes is to ads the extra votes based on precinct size.

Usually each state has easy to get data this way to one’s own source if amusement and the dozens of others who are thinking this might be interesting. Occasionally someone publishes graphs of it to thunderous uncaring.

It’s not the only problem but it’s the easiest way for non computer people to understand there is more to this

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 52 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

So Musk was involved in something to do with the voting machines?

Hmm…

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 27 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Well that's cause for investigation of at least the Pennsylvania vote, right?

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 11 hours ago

We can investigate all we want but Trump isn't getting punished. Neither is Musk.

We will coronate our first king today.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I recognize Juan Guaidó as interim president of the United States until we figure out what happened

[–] microphone900@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

Agreed, it's the only thing that can and should be done. And, I mean, look at how good a job he did at the last place he led.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 hours ago

"Start free trial now"

As opposed to the costly and constrained trials ending with "fuck it, he gets off scot-free because we dragged our feet on purpose and he's above the law again"

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 hours ago

BIG NEWS! START FREE-TRIAL NOW!

Oh good how could I afford to miss that huge breaking story, didjya hear fellas? Newsmax is offering free trials!

Whoever runs that channel should be taken behind the barn and put to pasture.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

is this a veiled threat? lol

[–] BearGun@ttrpg.network 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's not a threat, it's an admission of guilt.

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