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Year of the ~~Linux Desktop~~ Fediverse!

Side note, DAE find calling them "normies" kinda icky? It's like straight outta 4chan

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[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 11 points 1 hour ago

You're missing the important factor of the cultural zeitgeist

People who flocked to RedNote weren't just going there for an alternative to TikTok

They were specifically going there because the US government said "you can't go on the Chinese App!" so they said "Oh yeah? I'm gonna find an even MORE Chinese app to hang out at!"

[–] vatlark@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

Red note just added a feature that lets you translate any comment to English (or presumably the local language of your phone number) . Online reviews and Airbnb have done this for a long time. It's a simple yet amazing feature, one that will really remove barriers to appreciating different cultures. I would love to have it here so that everyone can speak their native tongue and others could appreciate it. I always want to know what the French and German communities are up to (those are the most common other languages I see).

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 46 points 10 hours ago

A lot of people are going to rednote as a show of protest:

  • these people have had their data mined since they were babies, they've been taught by the market since birth that their data isn't something they should value
  • then they're told that it's bad that these other people can access their data, with no explanation as to why it's any different
  • while at the same time being told that it's totally fine for the folks who are already mining your data to sell it to the people who shouldn't have your data

So they're basically saying "you're lying, and your explanation contradicts your previous behavior, so I'm gonna do the exact opposite of what you want"
Again because they don't actually care about their data

[–] istdaslol@feddit.org 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Even worse; they flood the internet with „china actually kinda based“ posts. Orientalism is back and nothing changed

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 2 hours ago

In art history, literature and cultural studies, Orientalism is the imitation or depiction of aspects of the Eastern world (or "Orient") by writers, designers, and artists from the Western world. Orientalist painting, particularly of the Middle East,[1] was one of the many specialties of 19th-century academic art, and Western literature was influenced by a similar interest in Oriental themes.

Critical studies

Edward Said

In his book Orientalism (1978), cultural critic Edward Said redefines the term Orientalism to describe a pervasive Western tradition—academic and artistic—of prejudiced outsider-interpretations of the Eastern world, which was shaped by the cultural attitudes of European imperialism in the 18th and 19th centuries.[20] The thesis of Orientalism develops Antonio Gramsci's theory of cultural hegemony, and Michel Foucault's theorisation of discourse (the knowledge-power relation) to criticise the scholarly tradition of Oriental studies. Said criticised contemporary scholars who perpetuated the tradition of outsider-interpretation of Arabo-Islamic cultures, especially Bernard Lewis and Fouad Ajami.[21][22] Furthermore, Said said that "The idea of representation is a theatrical one: the Orient is the stage on which the whole East is confined",[23] and that the subject of learned Orientalists "is not so much the East itself as the East made known, and therefore less fearsome, to the Western reading public".[24]

In the academy, the book Orientalism (1978) became a foundational text of post-colonial cultural studies.[22] The analyses in Said's works are of Orientalism in European literature, especially French literature, and do not analyse visual art and Orientalist painting. In that vein, the art historian Linda Nochlin applied Said's methods of critical analysis to art, "with uneven results".[25] Other scholars see Orientalist paintings as depicting a myth and a fantasy that did not often correlate with reality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism

Yeah i dont think that people saying "China is kinda based" are trying to appropriate chinese culture from the perspective of a culturally and racially superior western hegemonial empire. Quite to the contrary actually.

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What is the one on the left anyway?

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Fedivserse logo, thats lemmy, mastodon, sharkey, mbin and all the other decentralised social medias.

[–] IceFoxX@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

While I like the logo, I also realize that the logo also evokes blind hatred from people. Unfortunately, you only have to mention the color scheme, which for many is like a declaration of war. Sick world

It's just colors, if colors evoke blind hatred in someone, I likely wouldn't want them around me anyways. It looks to me like an interlinked web of different nodes. Which seems to be a pretty accurate representation of the hosting and federations.

[–] joenforcer@midwest.social 27 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

You're expecting Zoomers and Gen Alpha irreversibly addicted to short-form video content, which has resulted in an attention span that doesn't extend past 30 seconds, to READ?

[–] Brahvim@lemmy.kde.social 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

(Not all of us, please. I'm 18 - and I love to read - and that's how I'm even a media and middleware loving nerdy programmer, and that's how I'm here!!! I'm not even from a developed nation...)

(...I've been recommended by YouTube, videos of gen-alpha peeps talking about and using GNU-Linux OSs passionately, even!)

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 22 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Have you seen what acquiring lots of mainstream users does to a platform?

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Gotta second this. Especially if the growth is sudden. It's very difficult to integrate newer users into the existing culture.

There are merits to being a smaller community.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

It allows it to have a large range of content covering a variety of interests?

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 116 points 20 hours ago (11 children)

The advantages most of us see in the Fediverse (lack of corporate control, low algorithm interference) are seen by most normal users as either of little importance, or actively detrimental. The Fediverse requires you engage with it to cultivate a feed that gives you what you're interested in. But the people fleeing to Rednote want a strong algorithm that feeds them what they want, and they don't mind influence games being played by the algorithm in exchange for this convenience.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

I mean, a software could easily do it they just don't.

[–] AnonomousWolf@lemm.ee 3 points 7 hours ago

It would be nice if the Fediverse (or some apps like Sync) had a strong algorithm that you can choose to activate if you like, once you install the app.

And could pick from different algorithms, one big barrier to entry for new users is the UX just sucks compared to platforms they're used to.

Eg. Default lemmy Web UI is TERRIBLE

[–] Chev@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

I actually enjoy not having a strong algorithm here. This way I can spend as little as possible on my only social media app that I use.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 76 points 20 hours ago (22 children)

Personally, I think there's room in the Fediverse for an app with a "strong algorithm" provided it's completely open ofc.

My biggest issue with algorithms isn't the fact they exist, but that they're proprietary black boxes so no one truly knows how it's being manipulated

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Remember when Musk took over Twitter and "open sourced" the algorithm, although it was impossible to reconstruct anything from what was given, and contained clear signs of being edited and incriminating details suggesting content categorization and prioritization?

What I really want to see is Facebook's algorithm, because it seems to just produce a neverending stream of alt-right bullshit.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Fwiw Tiktok apparently just open sourced their algorithm a week or so ago.

I wonder if loops will provide it as an option

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Do you have a link? I can't find it.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

I was mistaken, it was not opensourced - there was a whitepaper on a recommendation system from tiktok's parent company bytedance, and everyone just assumed it was the tiktok recommendation algorithm when it was published.

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[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Is the cute little monster thing eating powdered sugar with his whole face?

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Is this old? Is this what old feels like?

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, people not recognizing Elmo is a special kind of pain.

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