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No, it's not like stealing a physical item from a store.

"stealing" a digital copy of a movie, tv show or a game is like if the item you're stealing from a store is infinitely copyable. Like the replicator from star trek...or that one episode of Sabrina the teenage witch with that box that can make a perfect copy of everything you put inside of it.

Of course I personally would never pirate anything, no matter how much streaming services increase their prices or how much they crack down on VPN usage to get around geo-restrictions, PIRACY IS BAD AND ONLY BAD PEOPLE DO IT.

I've never pirated anything in my whole life!

There are people who understand what I'm saying...but apparently most people don't get it.

Of course that means I still would never pirate anything. That would be horrible to "steal" a copy of a movie or a TV show

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It is always morally preferrable to pirate things made by giant corporations

Fixed It For You.

Regardless of what is regarded as a crime against the state, it is wrongdoing against the public to support corporations that seek to extract more wealth than value they produce.

Intellectual property rights were a (very) temporary monopoly to give creators an incentive to create in order to build a robust public domain.

Copyrights, patents and trademarks no longer do that. So charging for content is now rent-seeking

Corporations, their share holders and the plutocrats who own them pull wealth out of the economy by hoarding it. The whenever you buy from anything but directly from the creator, you are reducing the wealth in the economy since your money goes straight into Scrooge McDuck's swimming coffers.

And our public domain only contains stuff from a century ago. Steamboat Willie became public domain just a year or two ago. Copyright holders and courts even assert all content should be owned and licensed, including SCOTUS. (Though the US Supreme Court is a traitor to the United States and its constitution.)

Pirate everything. Steal from companies for they have already stolen from you.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The number of examples of media becoming unreachable to paying consumers keeps growing.

Warner Brothers (Max) is the greatest example of this. Years of content from Cartoon Network just disappeared, leaving the consumer no legal avenue to enjoy some of their favorite shows.

I do not advocate for piracy. I advocate for archiving.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 10 points 3 days ago

I do not advocate for piracy. I advocate for archiving.

Exactly. And if the assholes make it illegal for librarians, well then yo ho ho.

[–] ctkatz@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

my view on it lies in two seperate buckets:

  1. if the thing being pirated is vastly overpriced for its function i don't see it as immoral
  2. if the thing being pirated is no longer available or was never made available for private ownership, ie only able to be streamed and only available on said service so long as the host streamer still has rights to do so, it isn't immoral.

and just to be clear, i don't see piracy as inherently evil or anticapitalistic. there have been several books and apps that i pirated that i liked and converted to an actual buyer to get more books in the series or get updates to the program.

[–] drascus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

And yet you can borrow anything from the local library for free and its considered totally fine and not pirating.

[–] Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My moral is always on match with that of the company so in most cases everything is acceptable.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

I decided on my moral beliefs on piracy back during the days of Kazaa and Limewire. Back then the RIAA was shaking down teenagers, threatening them with statutory liabilities of a quarter million dollars per song, simply because the law allowed it. They would threaten low-income families with lawsuits in the millions and get them to settle for a still-ridiculous settlement of few thousand dollars. Even the settlements were far in excess of the full retail cost of purchasing these songs.

I decided then that if the law allows this kind of thing, then copyright law as it exists now is fundamentally immoral. And immoral laws are not worthy of respect.

I mostly take a pragmatic approach to copyright. Whether I pay for something is a combination of the quality of the work, the reputation of the company selling it, the customer service provided by the legitimate product, the probability of getting caught for violating copyright law, etc. An indie publisher that treats their people well? I'll buy it. Mass market schlock made by criminally underpaid artists for rent-seeking megacorps? I'll pirate that all day, every day.

But morality literally plays no part in it. I learned long ago that copyright law exists outside of the realm of morality. The decision to buy or pirate is an entirely practical one; morality simply isn't a factor.

[–] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago
[–] squid@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

Private property is theft piracy in all forms is morally exceptable. DMCA actively harms progress, and this isn't some techbro take as I disagree with AI.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It is always morally acceptable to pirate things ~~made by giant corporations~~

Fixed it for you.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd make a point saying that there's a personal moral and a broader societal understanding of morality, and they don't always align.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

That's a fair point.

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When you download music online for free and prevent the company from making a profit off of a creative work by the artist, that they prevented from making a profit & royalties, is that wrong? Doubtful. You can always send the artist money directly if you want to support them.

[–] ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago

the DMCA doesn't protect the artists or any of the singers, it protects the shitty record labels and the money that the executives at those companies get

PIRACY IS BAD AND ONLY BAD PEOPLE DO IT.

I’ve never pirated anything in my whole life!

Good thing you said that, I was about to send some agents to have a "nice chat" with you.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Stealing a physical item from a giant corporate store is also always morally acceptable.

Having power neurologically suppresses empathy. Therefor resources controlled by the powerful will on average be used more harmfully. Taking resources from the powerful reduces total harm done.

You will use a loaf of bread less harmfully than Walmart will use the profit from it.

[–] ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Stealing a physical item from a giant corporate store is also always morally acceptable.

not really, it makes the store lock everything up behind plexiglass creating more friction for paying customers too.

Of course, theft wouldn't happen nearly as much if no one was desperate the survive, but even then there'd still be entitled assholes that want even more.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago

not really, it makes the store lock everything up behind plexiglass creating more friction for paying customers too.

That's not really harm in the way that hunger or poverty or lobbying against workers protections is harm. That's more like a temporary inconvenience that doesn't stop anyone getting what they need, right?

[–] josie@vegantheoryclub.org 2 points 2 days ago

Big agree, also now I want to rewatch Sabrina the Teenage Witch lol

[–] Asparagus0098@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Personally I don't really care too much about whether it's moral or not. I pirate when I feel like it and don't when I don't feel like it. I also pay for some things that I pirated before and enjoyed as long as it isn't too expensive.

[–] Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

Rage bait. Yawn.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean, the replicator is making food out of SOMETHING. I'm guessing it's some kind of waste produce from the engine room. It needs matter to operate. It can't create ex-nihilo.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The replicator from Star Trek makes matter out of pure energy, not out of other matter. It can make almost anything out of matter, so long as it has the molecular pattern on file, and the ship has enough energy available to power the replicators. That energy comes primarily from energy storage dedicated to replicator production, but in emergencies where a massive amount of matter need fabricated, additional power can be provided by the warp core.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So they're using several hiroshima's or nagasaki's worth of nuclear bomb's energy to produce a cup of Earl Gray, hot? Seems like using garbage or human waste would save a lot of energy?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the power required to produce a small amount of matter?

While we're at it, is a transporter actually transporting me? Or is it technically really replicating me?

Because what I assumed was happening was they essentially had a transporter like device that would take some matter (say a big pile of human dung) transport it (i.e, convert it into the atoms/energy/whatever the transporter uses run it through a pattern buffer that's stored in the transporter for say, Earl Gray hot) and beam it into the Captain's quarters as Earl Gray hot instead of poop.

[–] ___@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A cup of tea is around 500megatons if you convert all the matter into energy. We’re talking a few thousand Hiroshimas.

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"stealing" a digital copy of a movie, tv show or a game is like if the item you're stealing from a store is infinitely copyable.

What if it's a physical Blu-ray? Those are infinitely copyable.

[–] ThatGuyNamedZeus@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

physical media is a physical finite item. digital media can be copied infinitely

the reason why physical media is getting harder and harder to find is because the copyright nazis can't control it. If they want to memory-hole a scene, they can't change the content of that blu-ray disc with the original version on it

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

and steal other things as well

[–] killabeezio@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Can you further expand on why you think it's bad? I'm generally curious.

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[–] Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

Pirates constantly trying to "morally" justify their action is by far the worst part of all pirate forums.

Its embarrassing how many pirates need the validation of strangers on the internet.

Isn't there a philosophy forum that these people could spam instead?

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, your morality is just the bandwagon effect.

[–] Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

non sequitur much hahah

[–] thisnameisnottolong@aussie.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

~~Pirates~~ commenters constantly trying to "morally" justify their ~~action~~ opinion is by far the worst part of all ~~pirate~~ forums.

Its embarrassing how many ~~pirates~~ commenters need the validation of strangers on the internet.

Isn't there a philosophy forum that these people could spam instead?

Ftfy

[–] Imprint9816@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 days ago

Lol so butthurt

[–] azalty@jlai.lu 1 points 2 days ago
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[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

While your mega corporation is extremely rich, if tomorrow everyone starts pirating, that corporation will go bankrupt in a year. And all those TV shows you enjoyed won't be produced anymore. No more new movies with cool stunts and special effects. No more games with insane graphics.

As a consumer of that big corpo content you don't have the moral high ground to say "I never cared anyways about your shitty mass-consumer stuff". You care because you pirated it to watch/play it.

So in the end, you only got your cake because someone else overpaid for theirs. Infinite replicability argument does not hold because it costs money to make content. And it's a risky investment, so at times you want to get more back than you invested, cuz other times you'll spend 50 millions on a game nobody wants to play, and lose 40 of those.

By pirating you inadvertently cause damage to the industry and if everyone followed your steps your favorite games/movies would ceise to exist. But for now it works cuz most people don't pirate. So, are you morally safe, anon?

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

You're thinking far too short-term in your economic analysis.

Imagine if everyone tomorrow just started pirating the works of the major video game and film studios. Will high quality movies simply stop being made?

Of course not. There are many ways to structure a film industry. Why are films made by big for-profit companies in the first place? Market conditions have simply allowed for that consolidation. But if we change those market conditions through targeted mass piracy, the current major studio model will disappear in favor of other organizational structures.

Why can't films be made by collaborations of various worker co-ops? You could have an actor's co-op, a videographers guild, an employee-owned animation studio, etc. And they could all come together to collaborate on projects for a share of the total profits. Or hell, there's nothing preventing even a major film studio from being entirely employee-owned.

If everyone stopped buying things from the giants, then the film industry wouldn't disappear; it would adjust. Companies would become smaller as the "evil megacorp" model became unprofitable. And more space would open up for more distributed production models and for employee-owned businesses.

Your vision and imagination are ultimately simply far too limited.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And all those TV shows you enjoyed won't be produced anymore.

Wrong. Just gets sold off and made by someone else. Unless the whole system crashes, which would be a plus, but isn't gonna happen

By pirating you inadvertently cause damage to the industry and if everyone followed your steps your favorite games/movies would ceise to exist.

Cease. Humans are inherently creative, creative works would still be made

So, are you morally safe, anon?

F as r and away: yup

[–] where_am_i@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 days ago

Unless the whole system crashes, ... would be a plus

I already knew someone would reply that, and addressed it.

You can't say any of that. You are enjoying a product of a system as it exists. If it crashed and would never be rebuilt, all you'd have left is independent cinema/games. This already exists, and you could go consume that. But you don't.

There's no guarantee that in absence of big corpo with profits there will be anything produced like your favorite TV show.

I can promise you one thing: if no one pays for what they watch, there will be no TV shows. Scripting, cast, production, and delivery, all cost a lot of money. If tomorrow you inact a low that prohibits charging money for media content, no new system will emerge. Or what you'll see is kinda what YouTube has: short videos with built-in ads, and potentially sponsored content that you'll never know about.

So, right now, you're damaging the only system we know that produces content that you enjoy.

Humans are inherently creative, creative work would still be made

Ah, I see. You want someone else to work for free, so you get your content for free.

Maybe you never talked to an independent artist. Who are in their 30s barely manage to make their ends meet, and are looking for any chance to get into a different career path.


No, anon, you in particular aren't morally safe. You make lame excuses for your inability to pay.

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