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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Please upvote this comment if you are a liberal and this headline gave you pause and maybe a nagging "are we the baddies?" moment of reflection

[–] Grimble@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not upvoting as a diehard commie, just to respect the vote. Would love to see an actual poll of libs on this

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[–] RaineV1@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Russia has done horrible things to the Ukrainian people for a good century now. I hope the Ukraine doesn't get pressured into giving its land and people over to Putin. Any deal needs to give Ukraine all its territory back, and for Russia to keep its military off their border.

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[–] wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fears of peace talks

What kind of bullshit Orwellian headline is this? Peace is GOOD, stopping the bloodshed is GOOD. We WANT less people to die.

[–] darq@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only reason I opened the article, "whatchu mean fear of peace talks?!"

Like I get it, Ukraine shouldn't capitulate. But ending the bloodshed is a good thing, surely.

[–] drbluefall@toast.ooo 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The issue is that we've already tried the whole peace thing before. Remember the Budapest Memorandum? The Minsk Protocol & Minsk II? The Partition & Friendship Treaties?

I feel like the heart of the issue is that Russia doesn't want peace. If it did, we would not be here in the first place.

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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If Ukraine enters peace talks now, have they gained anything or put their country in a better position since the original peace talks, which were sabotaged by Boris Johnson and British intelligence, over a year ago? Have they gained any significant territory since what was proposed then? Is their army in a stronger position? Are any gains since then worth the losses?

Just looking at it from a purely pragmatic and realpolitik perspective, I don't see how anyone can argue that Ukraine has gained anything significant in this stalemate of a conflict. If they get similar results now, as what was on the table originally at the first peace talks, it means that their Western backers essentially sold a pipe dream to Ukraine that never materialised. Is the collective West ready to explain that to Ukraine, and the rest of the world? That they used Ukraine as a testbed for their weaponry against Russia, sold Ukraine a utopian fantasy that they'd be able to regain significant territory using Western weapons and tactics which never happened, and hundreds of tens to hundreds of thousands of people got killed or injured to accomplish very little.

[–] nicman24@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

havent they breach crimea lines? they are the offensive now so they could demand more.

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[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These Baltic and Polish dipshits should just be airdropped on to the frontlines if they want the war to continue so badly.

Without parachutes.

[–] dakku@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, along with the dipshits commenting from somewhere safe out in the West or whatever that never learn from history about appeasement that doesn't work.

No one "wants the war to continue". But "dipshits" from Poland and countries near Russia know that they will not stop there, and after Ukraine they're next.

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[–] HomebrewHedonist@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I don't believe this for one second. I haven't heard anything from the Ukraine administration that would suggest in any way that they are interested in peace talks. In fact, their recent choice of putting a Crimean Tatar as the Minister of Defence suggests that they are serious about taking Crimea back from Russia. I hear nothing but absolute resolve by both the Weat and Ukraine to keep fighting until a Ukraine victory.

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