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[–] Techmaster@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

On the flip side, meat tastes 20x better than vegetables.

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[–] reflex@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Vegans create more than four times the noise pollution doe.

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago

There sure is a lot of effort being made to obscure the fact that most greenhouse gasses come from industrial sources.

[–] Classy@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Oh look, another article pointing the finger at the meager consumption habits of citizens and completely ignoring the massive ocean of CO2 production by large companies.

Don't people get tired of seeing this same argument being made? The amount of carbon produced by barges carrying cargo over the Atlantic so far greatly exceeds the consumption of many millions of people every single day but I'm supposed to feel guilty for eating a piece of steak today instead of some semi-edible "impossible meat" bug protein?

ETA: Nice, my first blowup since leaving reddit. Very refreshing to see some people arguing passionately. I appreciate the vigor and the quality of argumentation, everybody. The quality of discourse here is so much better than on reddit.

I'm willing to admit the "semi edible impossible meat bug protein" gamut was a bit tongue in cheek, but I recognize how it can sound genuine. I do think Impossible Meat is disgusting, but that's neither here nor there.

I eat plenty of plant matter and I regularly forage in the local forests to learn about edible plants. But I'm not going to stop enjoying steak just because it might put a bit more CO2 (why do people keep writing it as C02 online?) into the atmosphere. If removing subsidies and putting more pressure on the meat industry to be less wasteful, less environmentally impactful and more ethical towards animals causes steak to rise to $40/lb as some here have stated I'll gladly pay.

FWIW, I get my steak from local farms that are free range and grass fed. Grass feeding is healthier for the cow than the typical grain, it produces less CO2 and the steak is better quality. Plus the cows are better taken care of. Again, thanks for the great messages (generally).

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[–] stackcheese@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Nah Corporations and industries creates 1000x more greenhouse gases than meat and agriculture.

[–] IndictEvolution@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Can't we all just agree 8 billion people is silly? Think about how much of it is just completely redundant. The main focus really should be massive population reduction.

Edit: Also, no, I don't mean killing off anyone, just reducing birth rates will do fine. We know even just a simple high school education reduces birth rates.

[–] Rand0mA@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm enough of a cu*t as it is. If I went vegan, people wouldn't stand me, I just think I'd lose the friends I have left.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago

No food is "problem free" and, much like normal agriculture where different crops cause different problems, different meats (poultry, pig, cow) cause different problems and have different costs.

Are insects a valid protein source? Apparently yes! Am I willing to eat them? Maybe! I've never had the chance to try any, none of the markets I go to stock anything like that.

Ditching all meats for soy and other vegetal proteins? Doable, but more expensive than eating chicken or pig, in my case. Fully getting rid of eggs and milk is also problematic for me because they are even cheaper than the meat itself.

You know what would be really funny? If cattle ranchers were forced to come up with big diapers for all the cows, harvesting the methane and turning that into somewhat cheap extra gas for cooking.

[–] smellythief@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

I haven't clicked through, but I bet they meant "producing meat."

[–] msmc101@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 years ago

It's not because of meat it's because of unsustainable farming practices being used on a massive scale. Implement some fucking laws about it and maybe we wouldn't have this problem

[–] WhiteHawk@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As usual, the title is clickbait. It's not "eating meat" that produces 4 times more greenhouse gases, it's a high-meat diet. Big difference that is conveniently left out of the title to get more clicks.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago

Who gives a fuck about greenhouse gasses. All the creatures we create are our children, and all are owed the unconditional love and protection of their creators. The experiences of animals are real and matter. Their suffering is identical in nature to your own. It harms us when we take pleasure in cruelty and violence.

You work so hard to block out that simple reality. The destruction of climate, personal health, and ecosystems, those are all just incidental to the atrocity that we are committing on intelligent creatures. You cannot enjoy a cheeseburger or bacontho while you are watching Dominion. Your enjoyment is predicated on fucking DENIAL.

[–] EmperorHenry@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Do you want to REALLY cut down on pollution? Stop giving free money to the giant corporations that are causing the most of it.

I'm not going to be vegan and I'm not going to eat bugs. If the corporations want to stop climate change, the corporations are causing the most of it.

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[–] invisiblegorilla@sh.itjust.works -2 points 9 months ago

The vegan brigade is back out. I dont care. I'm still eating meat. I always finish my meals and I hate wasted food. I'm not going to feel guilty that your skinny ass survives on fucking leaves, nuts and beans that turns you into an ultrapreachy unbearable cunt. And stop diverting attention from your fucking palm oil and avacado farms

[–] FRAnkly@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What about soy derivates being used as estrogens by the body suppressing testosterone. Plus to keep soy fields you have to spray more pesticides than everything else.

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