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[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 350 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

This guy really proves that there are no good billionaires thing. Being good stopped him from staying a billionaire. Anyone who hoards wealth while others suffer from impoverishment and starvation is evil.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 81 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Yep. Those billions are made on the backs of suppressed wages and benefits, more employee productivity with less flexibility, enshittification, etc. It’s “earned” by squeezing it out of others.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I guess he understood that, felt guilty, and wanted to give it "back" to clear his conscience. That's my personal take. I really want to believe there are good people with power and/or money.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's why its the system that needs to be killed, not billionaires. It doesn't matter if you are good or bad, capitalism is in part a system of forced competition. A CEO who doesn't make the hard calls for the benefit of stockholders will be replaced if he is caught choosing his moral compunctions over profits. A competitor will exploit what he might refuse to, and thus the harm is done and the "good CEO" is drummed out of the system. The only way for a CEO to remain good and a CEO is to never be tested by the markets mad search for profits. This is possible in a small way, like maybe a CEO of a small regional firm which will eventually be bought out or forced out of business. Hell, most of the strictly "moral" repercussions of an executive are hidden from them, and appear only as columns in a profit/loss report. Capitalism alienates us all from the world we inhabit, our humanity and our selves; worker and owner alike.

But regardless of this, the class interests of ceos and employees are in direct conflict. This doesn't mean we need to kill, but we will have to fight to crush their way of life which exists as a result of the mass exploitation and immiseration of millions.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Fully agree.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok… but then we are beholden to where they choose to dispense their largesse. Great, the billionaires have a few pet projects they direct their philanthropy to, and it does help those recipients specifically.

But how about the lifetime earnings of the employees who saw their benefits packages shrink, their medical copays and premiums climb? Maybe that was enough to force their kids into crippling college loans instead of the parents having enough extra to help wirh 529s or just smaller more manageable loans? How about the customers who got inferior products or services that support, returns, or exchanges were obfuscated by deliberately ineffective phone menus or website resources that were designed to make people give up instead of receiving what they deserve? How about the billonaire’s pursuit of anti-tax laws to further line their pockets at the expense of government services? All of these things happen directly by command of the wealthy or by those riding on the coattails of those decisions as major investors or board of directors. All of them in service to the bottom line, and that bottom line is increased at your and my expense.

They may be good people. But you do not become a billionaire with clean hands.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

co-founder of Duty Free Shoppers Group, the travel retailer of luxury products based in Hong Kong

Sort of squeezing second-hand. But you have to know his primary client pool is the business elites passing through international airports and taking advantage of a legalized form of tax evasion while exploiting the working class in sweat-shops on the mainland/surrounding Pacific islands.

A bit like becoming a billionaire by selling yachts or luxury hotels or cocaine. Even if you can argue you didn't abuse your staff to make your mint (spoilers: you absolutely did), you know all your biggest customers did.

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[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 8 points 2 weeks ago

This is a great take

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 173 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

In Northern Ireland he supported "mixed" (i.e., Catholic and Protestant) child education. In 1991, he gave £8m to the Integrated Education Fund,[20] a grant-making charitable body which aims "to make integration, not separation, the norm in our education system".[21] Queens University Belfast also received grants of more than £100m,[20] for capital projects, child education and medical research.[22]

More controversially, Feeney gave substantial personal donations to Sinn Féin, a left-wing Irish nationalist party that has been historically associated with the IRA.[14] Following the IRA ceasefire in 1994, he funded the party's office in Washington D.C.[20]

Feeney supported the modernization of public-health structures in Vietnam,[18] AIDS clinics in South Africa, Operation Smile's free surgeries for children with cleft lips and palates, earthquake relief in Haiti, and the UCSF Medical Center at the University of California at San Francisco.[8]

Jim Dwyer wrote in The New York Times that none of the one thousand buildings on five continents that were built with Feeney's gifts of $2.7 billion bear his name.[1]

On September 14, 2020, Feeney closed down the Atlantic Philanthropies after the non-profit accomplished its mission of giving away all of its money by 2020.[25]

Immensely based

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 59 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We found him

The good billionaire

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 112 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

While I honestly believe nobody can get that kind of money ethically, the fact that he actually put his money where his mouth was on philanthropy whike still alive, and almost all anonymously, is very admirable

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

You would not know who Chuck Feeney is, but you know the business he set up: Duty Free. He made billions during the golden age of air travel. I think you could become rich ethically by setting shops in places where millions of people run across 24/7.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

the fact that he actually put his money where his mouth was on philanthropy

Even setting aside the question of where the money came from, the theory behind philanthropy is fundamentally anti-democratic. The philanthropist establishes an untaxable trust and personally appoints a board of cronies to allocate limited resources based on an inaccessible group's whims.

I could go into the numerous failures and crimes of private non-profits - the Bill & Melinda Gates campaign to sterilize Africans in a nakedly racist effort to curb population growth, the Longtermist tech industry campaign to invest billions into generative AI in pursuit of a god-like superintelligence, the Catholic Church's enslavement and abuse of young people in their network of church run orphanages from Ireland to Guatamala to Thailand. But the bottom line is that using your economic position to play Sim City with other people's neighborhoods and livelihoods isn't charitable in any meaningful sense of the term. Its mega-maniacal. The utopian visions of the philanthropy's founder don't change that, even if your organization doesn't end up going the way of the philanthropy shaped Ponzi Scheme like Foundation for New Era Philanthropy or St. Jude Hospital's horded endowments

[–] whome@discuss.tchncs.de 108 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Every super rich person who has this mindset should rigorously advocate fair taxation of their peers that is the only chances for a non revolutionary change.

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 61 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, it is nice that billionaires give away their money, it would be nicer if the people could choose how that money was spent instead of the billionaires.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 weeks ago

Not only that, but it's good for one person to donate their excessive wealth, but it'd be great if the other 2700 of them had to relinquish some of it.

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[–] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (50 children)

It still would have been better if workers got the money in the first place. There are no good billionaires.

[–] insaneinthemembrane@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The good billionaire... eventually? How many people never become billionaires in the first place because accumulating all that wealth in the first place is bad. Unless you have a billion in inheritance in one go or something.

[–] wildncrazyguy138@fedia.io 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you’re wealth is in stock that have voting rights and you founded the company, getting rid of the stock is risky as it reduces your control over the company. In that case, if you sell you stock to lower your wealth, a bad faith actor could come in and depose you. If you’re a “good millionaire” then this could then have the effect of lowering your charitable giving potential.

Stocks are essentially people putting bets on you and your company. Most billionaires don’t just become billionaires by themselves…the public anoints them.

And I think the public should be able to rescind that if the person does more public harm than good.

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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If it was anonymous how do we know it was him?

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[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

From the his Wikipedia:

More controversially, Feeney gave substantial personal donations to Sinn Féin, a left-wing Irish nationalist party that has been historically associated with the IRA.

He was a basically an Irish-American George Soros.

And it's down Along the Falls Road, that's where I long to be, Lying in the dark with a Provo company, A comrade on my left and another on me right And a clip of ammunition for my little Armalite.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

George Soros is not a good billionaire. The right wing delusion of him is such a convenient smokescreen for all of the actually horrible global conditions he's helped give birth to and gotten rich from, that I wonder if he doesn't perpetuate it himself. He's basically the final boss of neocolonialism, but because noone will teach you what neocolonialism is and how capitalism violently extracts cheap hyper-exploited labor and natural resources from the third world which amount to super profits for the billionaire class, most people don't see how bad he is.

[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

True but I drew that comparison since they both donated to left wing parties in countries outside their native homeland. Soros is a prick but not for the reasons that the neo-Nazis would have you believe.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Warren Buffett and Bill Gates created The Giving Pledge, a legally binding agreement to give at least half of their wealth to philanthropy by death or through last will and testament. It currently has over 240 signatures from over 30 countries.

https://givingpledge.org/

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 weeks ago

"Can we have some of your billions?"

"Over my dead body"

  • The Giving Pledge
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[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago
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