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I'm finding the results are not helpful as they used to be and sometimes way past the topic I'm searching. This is very prevalent when I'm searching for pirate sites. I'm falling back to Searxng whenever this occurs.

Has anyone noticed it too? Has DDG upped their moderation?

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[–] BlazeRunner@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

Yeah I've experienced it too and switched to startpage.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 84 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

DuckDuckGo is just a bing proxy. I think Microsoft is working on optimizing it for their copilot thing.

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[–] Stomata@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 weeks ago

duck duck go is showes Bing results. maybe Microsoft is doing somthing.

[–] JustVik@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

In general, I noticed that a significant degradation of search engines began to occur after the appearance of chatGPT, perhaps this is somehow related. Before that, degradation was slower. Maybe in Google for example they were a little afraid that ChatGPT would learn from their search engines and replace them...

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[–] pagenotfound@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I also noticed redoing a search sometimes yields different results despite using the exact same keywords.

[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

I had the same and just realised that the order of the results got rearranged.

[–] MonkeyBusiness@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe it's a fairness strategy? Rather than show everyone the same list so that only the top 3 get all the clicks, they rotate them to spread the traffic.

[–] yoz@aussie.zone 15 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Which search engine is good to find pirate sites and other general websites

[–] idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 weeks ago

They don't show up there for obvious reasons. Also sites disappear frequently, or move to new domains. You have to use alternative ways, bookmark megathreads and other collections where some other people frequently update the links, something for start:

[–] I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

The search engine built into qbittorrent is good as well.

[–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I probably wouldn't use it as a main search engine because I don't know how trustworthy it is, but whenever I can't find some obscure piece of media or something I've had amazing results from Yandex

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yandex is best for this

[–] toddestan@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd say their search results have been in decline for some time now, though quality has taken a particularly big hit the past year or so. I'd switch to someone else, but I haven't found a decent alternative yet. As poor as DDG's results are, they are still a few rungs above the rubbish Google spits out.

[–] zerozaku@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Use Searxng. I always wanted to branch out of DDG and now this is push I needed.

[–] LydiaChlamydia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I’ve always used SearXNG and I love it. The only issue that every once in a while an instance stops working and you have to switch, I imagine this isn’t an issue if you self host though

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

DDG's results have always been bad in my experience. Unless I'm searching for the most basic, general stuff, more often than not I find more irrelevant results than relevant ones (if I find any relevant ones at all.)

Not to say that Google is much better. I've noticed a steady decline in relevance over the past 15 years.

These days if I want an actual answer to something, I still have to add site:reddit.com to my queries. That or ask an AI and hope it's not hallucinating some bullshit. It may be full of shit, but at least AI understands what I'm looking for.

[–] janonymous@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I also noticed a change. From one day to the next I suddenly got lots of reddit links in the top results

[–] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

TIL DDG is bing and it's like being diagnosed with cancer.

[–] Mojeek@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago
[–] wrekone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, DDG results have seen a major drop in quality in the past 4-6 months. It's been my primary search engine for several years now but I don't know if my loyalty can withstand such a drastic decline. Bing results must have taken a nosedive as well, but I don't use Bing so I can't compare.

[–] Camille@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've always had a hard time switching from Google to any other search engine because the gap on quality. But since last year, Google's results are getting worse and worse but on the other hand I have found DDG to be quite satisfying. So maybe their results have changed, but for me it was for the better.

[–] mihor@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Indeed, I rarely add !g bang these days, almost never. But I do hate the censorship on DDG, you can rarely find relevant results if you search for anything Russian, or torrents or similar.

[–] oldfart@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

russian torrents

As a non-Russian I use Yandex for torrents because there's nothing better among general use search engines. Also try btdigg if you haven't.

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[–] capuccino@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In my experience, Google has been to me a better tool to find pirate sites but I got poor results about programming topics there, otherwise, with DuckDuckGo I got excellent results for programming topics but poorly results for pirate sites.

[–] zerozaku@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Use searx next time instead of Google.

[–] Monstrosity@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Google used to have a Linux tab :(

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

websearch enshittification hits me extra hard because I was always bad at searching. please keep me in your thoughts.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes they have. I typically use it to find pages I go to on a regular basis without 'bookmarking'. Used to find them as a first result so much that all I had to do was let the search load and hit the top link. No more. Now there are anywhere between 2 to 5 links above mine on load only passively related.

[–] Evoliddaw@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago
[–] leanleft@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

feels censored to me. i wouldn't be surprised if u had poor results for torrenting websites.

[–] DaCrazyJamez@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is. There are sites that I know the url of that dont show up in results.

[–] lemmyuser30@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

One site I've seen with this behaviour is smspool.net. No matter what you search on DDG, it won't come up.

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

Are there any search engine aggregators which can pull the top X sites from multiple locations and display them on a single page?

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep, use to recommend it but it's just got generic even when filters are set to off, also the ai shit is annoying tho I respect them for not shoving it down my throat. I guess I'll just wait for ladybug search engine to drop. PS: if anyone's looking to compile I'll save you the trouble cause for now it's only a webview in an app. You could go to DDG or google to search but it's not a nice experience

[–] MonkeyBusiness@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ladybird looks cool. It's the first ever newsletter I have ever knowingly signed up for.

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Too bad it's expected for 2026

[–] pkill@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago

Because it's just bing under the hood, same as qwant. And Bing/microshaft doesn't really care that much about you using it for actual search. M$hit wants you to use Copilot. Copilot cannot be fit as easily into meta search engines such as SearxNG. I'm quite convinced that the whole push behind the aggressive AI promotion going hand in hand with search engine experience degradation (ACCELERATED BY THE PROLIFERATION OF SEOMAXXING AI-SLOP ONLINE) is to a large extent driven by the desire to tighten the walled gardens and information control. Millions of idiots convinced that a text generator program is somehow similar to an actual person would more readily accept it providing opinions or censored information, in place of diverse information.

Congratulations to all of you still happily trading your freedom for convenience. Instead of just a ranking algorithm that nonetheless can show you multiple results at a glance, you get the generation of just one result, at the environmental cost much higher than a regular search, up to 10 times more energy, and sometimes even slower than what would be the time required to load a regular page on a good LTE connection if modern web wasn't so bloated.

All while accelerating the march towards digital feudalism. Because even the immense amount of storage space and link capacity required to build your own search index is nothing compared to the cost of training a LLM and then providing it via some SaaSS.

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I only use searx for this reason. Also, whyre you searching for pirate sites? You should have a handful that you use and seed for.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Honestly I'm a little worried when the new administration comes in. When the MPAA walks in with a bucket full of money and they decide to Go after torrenting again I don't really want them to see my complete history and my credit balances. When they catch me on TPB they're going to only catch me with whatever I've got my hand on in the cookie jar.

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