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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 55 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (4 children)

100% guarantee price raises across the board, even for stuff not affected by tarrifs/mass deportation labor shortages.

It'll be covid all over again, an excuse to price gouge the fuck out of those who can least afford it.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

If companies are going to suck consumers dry just because they can, they'd better put Republican's name on it.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Are you kidding ? This is absolutely going to be blamed on Biden, loudly and repeatedly.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 5 points 7 hours ago

I know I know, Walmart is in the GOP's pocket. But if the DNC knows what's good for them they'll take any scraps they have from Harris 2024 and painting the entire Republican movement as lovers of raising prices on Americans.

[–] BigPotato@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago

They won't.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 19 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, I mean I knew that, you knew that, Americans are so uneducated that the majority had no idea how basic economics work.

Well FAFO, we're all going to learn the hard way I guess.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

And fuck those of us who already knew the lesson. Its like school but without getting to go home at the end of the day. And just like school, the kids who need it probably wont pay attention

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

First of all walmart doesnt have to do this, they are choosing to.

Second, last time trump did tariffs prices went up in the following months, and then returned back to baseline following that.

There will be a reactionary period once they are placed. Walmart will either shift to buying more locally to maintain the most profit they can, or a competitor will undercut them.

[–] MrMcGasion@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Shifting to buying more locally can work when there are local businesses that can ramp up production easily to meet demand, it doesn't work when there is no local production that can be easily expanded, or when there aren't enough local resources to supply local manufacturing (for example lithium for battery production)

Also, trade has been our leverage keeping China in check, we need their stuff, and they need our money, so we get along. If suddenly we say "we don't want your stuff anymore, and we're not giving you our money" they're gonna turn around and sell more to India, Russia, and Europe. They'll be fine, but we'll both lose our leverage and toilet our economy for at least a decade while we try to recover from shooting ourselves in the leg.

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[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Buying local is an option to evade paying tariffs on imported goods.
But what do you do if buying local is no real option?
I'm thinking of coffee, chocolate, computers, mobile phones, game consoles, cars, etc.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Mango Mussolini's tariff plans will increase prices across the board. The corporations earned record profits during the so-called inflation and the US consumers that voted for Cheeto are fucking clueless about the inbound out of control freight train.

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[–] ThePerfectLink@lemmy.world 16 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Realistically though, that's how tariffs just work. With products costing more, theoretically that should drive demand down and eventually lead to fewer imports. Of course, if there's still no competing product or the product is a basic necessity, then it'll likely just result in people paying more.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago (10 children)

Working tariffs make importing goods so expensive that manufacturing them nationally is viable. There are definitely areas where tariffs make sense, e.g. you have or want to build an industry that's competing against a subsidized industry from another country. Tariffs are one way to help with that.

But we all know that's way too much thought for him, which probably boiled down to "China bad"... which I'm not necessarily disagreeing with fully... but for reasons that tariffs aren't necessarily an answer to.

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[–] capital@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

I was promised cheaper eggs.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 hours ago (11 children)

Cool. Places like Aldis will continue not-fucking their customers while walmart will continue doing the same shit it always has, fucking over poor people and small business owners.

Dont shop at walmart if you can help it. Or kroger. Or any other shitty american company thats profit driven.

Cool trick y'all can do: if profit is the clear main goal, that company is garbage no matter what they do.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 81 points 13 hours ago (10 children)

But the question is, will American manufacturing make up for the costs? Or, will American manufacturing just raise their prices to match the tariffs and lump the profits into their executive bonuses. They deserve it after all for being smart enough to raise prices.

[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 41 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

American manufacturing CAN'T, it would take years, decades honestly, to get back the capacity to make all the crap we've outsourced to other countries.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 43 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

And this is the absolute brain rot fantasy of tariffs that I keep explaining to these idiots, and keep getting blank stares or awkward silences.

Tariffs are 100% punitive, without a domestic/alternative sourcing strategy. They can work long term to reduce a foreign nation's competitive advantage in an industry while allowing a domestic industry space to exist, but that only works if there’s a domestic industry that already exists (at enough scale to meet demand) or a long term government program to nurture and build those industries - education/vocation training, regulatory concerns, infrastructure development, raw materials availability, etc

Tariffs Chinese steel/electronics/machine tools/etc into oblivion? Either buy the imported at a high price, or buy the domestic at a slightly less high price - but the cost is always carried by the consumer no matter what.

[–] bradinutah@thelemmy.club 13 points 10 hours ago

And then there's the ensuing trade war that always happens, with the countries retaliating with their own tariffs to the US. Tariffs are a lose-lose scenario, just like they were in 2019.

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

And they want to kill the CHIPS act, which was going to build some of that local supply.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 8 points 8 hours ago

IMO that’s the height of economic policy stupidity because if/when Taiwan gets invaded, China will own nearly all semiconductor manufacturing outside of the highest end fab houses such as Intel or GlobalFoundries. The future of domestic manufacturing is high tech or specialty like Corning glassworks or L3-Harris, even car manufacturers get beat out by imports with our current tariff structure

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[–] dgmib@lemmy.world 21 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

During his first term Trump put a tariffs on Washing Machines. The price of imported washing machines went up. The price of domestically manufactured washing machines was also raised. Even the price of dryers — which didn’t have a tariff — went up on both imported and domestically manufactured appliances.

I have yet to see an economist that thinks Trumps tariff plans will benefit the working class.

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[–] coriza@lemmy.world 34 points 12 hours ago

If.some other countries are any indication, not only will they raise the prices but they will raise it way more than the tariffs and just blame on tariffs and with time people will just think that is they way it is. "X cost 3 times as other countries? That is because the tariffs" no mind that the tariffs is like 50% and not 300%. Like they already do with gas prices. Gas go up immediately when oil prices rise but only goes down, if ever, for new stock.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 19 points 13 hours ago

That is exactly what US steel did in response to the steel tariffs back in Trump round one.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 36 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Everything he will do contributes to anger, division and the collapse of the United States.

[–] NeoToasty@kbin.melroy.org 18 points 12 hours ago

People will be angry but angry at the wrong people. No, let's not be angry at the guy for actively destroying everyone's lives. Let's be angry at blacks. Or gay people. Or transgenders. Or police. Or scientists.

Fucking dumb Americans.

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