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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 43 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Afaik, the discussion boards for individual games are not moderated by Valve staff (outside of their own titles and the general discussions not tied to any specific game), but by the developer of the game. And it pretty much is ignored by everyone outside of a few indie devs that either just believe in transparency and use the boards themselves, or because they have huge egos and act like little tyrants being the worst kind of Reddit/Discord mod. The only in-between is the automated systems that work off reports and filters.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Bingo.

It's been that way since its inception, astronauts with gun meme or whatever.

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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 50 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

As a long time Steam user, while I still really like Steam and think it's the more consumer friendly platform, it has devolved greatly. Especially discussion forums are nearly no different than reddit toxicity where people exhibit their worst behaviors. I miss the legitimate discussions and love for specific games. Now it's mostly complaining and complete disregard for developers being humans.

The flood of garbage games has also been fairly obvious over the last decade. Some filters on your account handle a lot of this at least for the adult ones, but not all of it. It reminds me of the Wii shovelware era, but far worse.



BUT I would remind the Senator they STILL don't even have a fucking budget passed for this fiscal year we are already a month and a half into and they oughta stay in their lane and do their first basic god damn job before pointing at the supposed failures of others.

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don't think anything good can come of the government deciding to crack down on Steam moderation in order to "save the children".

The current situation of Steam having a toxic forum community in places is better than whatever happens with "scrutiny".

If I may put on a tinfoil hat for a moment, this recent push to get Steam labeled as an extremist den that needs to be dealt with feels like yet another attack originating from competitors.

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[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wow this push against Valve kind of popped up quickly and suddenly didn't it?

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[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 59 points 3 days ago

Old ass boomer fixating on games are evil I guess and finding it deserves more attention than places like Twitter and YouTube filled with influencers who have the captive audience of very susceptible individuals that they are molding them to their image. Maybe focus on the root cause.

[–] Taokan@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

NGL, when I first saw Warner making a public fuss over this, I had a bit of a reaction. Like, no one comes after my boy steam, I like my games and I like my platform. And maybe it's because I don't engage in many public multiplayer games these days, but I just haven't really come across this extremist content frequently enough to feel Congress needs to get involved.

But...

I can see from the comments, my anecdotal experiences aren't the whole picture. And I do get that sometimes in an otherwise free market, regulation is necessary to prevent a situation where a company does the right thing and then suffers financially from the backlash/boycott that ensues. Better to let the government be the ones to take the heat by those that get upset by the moderation.

But I also kind of agree with the sentiment, Congress needs to clean up its own hate speech and ethics, before further legislating what everyone else should be doing.

[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

PCGamer really hates doing journalism mhm ? You have to figure out which link goes back to the actual article about the mentioned report, and then find which link directly goes to the report : https://www.adl.org/resources/report/steam-powered-hate-top-gaming-site-rife-extremism-antisemitism

The full report actually provides a lot more information and answers some legitimate questions, and other ignorant comments raised in here, there's an entire appendix about their method and how they fine tuned an ai model to review 150+ million profile pictures / 600+ million comments

There's also interesting info about the customization of Steam profile, which I don't remember Steam publicly sharing :

At the time of data collection, Steam Community had 458.32 million users. Of these, 418.4 million were public profiles and 39.68 million were private profiles (even if a profile was private, there was certain related information that was publicly available).

Many of Steam Community’s 458.32 million users have not customized their accounts extensively. Only 7.4% of public profiles have a summary, Steam Community’s equivalent of a social media bio. 41.8% of profiles use Steam community’s default profile picture, making it the most common avatar on Steam, present on 191.2 million profiles.

Most Steam Community users are also not particularly active. One proxy for activity is player level, which users can increase by activities such as buying games or collecting trading cards while playing games on Steam. Among the 91.69% of Steam Community users who publicize their level, the average level is 2.8 and the median level is 0.0 (the maximum level observed was 5,001). Our detections should be interpreted with this context in mind.

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[–] vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah let's suggest these kids spending their time somewhere way safer like Matt Gaetz's mansion.

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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Unsafe? Like is the game going to stab them?

[–] TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's a great place to create extremists, there is basically no moderation and people say some fucking awful shit on Steam forums. I think this is a long time coming, honestly.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (12 children)

I just see people in the discussions forums talking about how to get all the achievements in Stellaris

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[–] Outhouse_dayz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

So what gaming platform is Gabe Neweel and His friends part of. Cause this is not about valve. And obviously about making room for a competitor.

[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Steam discussion forums on every game are a complete dumpster fire. Someone needs to do better, whether it is Steam themselves or moderators.

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[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

What has Valve done right?

  • Proton
  • Steam
  • Steam deck
  • Steam market (the place to sell underpriced skins for small amounts of money) What has Valve done wrong?
  • Loot boxes
  • Moderation (it is impossible)
  • Their anti-cheat (Swiss cheese of anti-cheats, >!EAC and BattlEye are better!<)

Overall, I prefer Valve and Steam over a Chinese holding firm that almost has the monopoly over the gaming industry and the company with a black logo that has a close-minded CEO and Sweeney'd to Tencent.

[–] dsilverz@thelemmy.club 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Beyond all of those, there's GOG.

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Literally turning america entirely into an unsafe place then threatening others for it. Are they trying to do a government take over of a shiny appealing money maker? It sure seems like they actually want the nazis everywhere else, I bet if they actually do anything they will keep the nazis if they actually exist in the first place.

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[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

they go after my hobbies and i will turn into extremist

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