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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 167 points 4 days ago (23 children)

I fucking HATE these clickbait headlines. Read the dang article and look at the quotes:

"I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it— to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities," he said during the broadcast. (emphasis added)

RFK is a total whackjob, but it's pretty clear he's talking about some kind of voluntary "farm therapy" (which probably isn't demonstrably effective anyway) and not a concentration camp.

PLEASE we got enough bombastic language and clickbait over the Biden years. There are PLENTY of things wrong with the actual quote above without taking us into clickbait territory.

Let's criticize him on the grounds of being scientific but proposing very un-scientific actions. Let's criticize him for proposing ineffective solutions, but please, focus on his ACTUAL statement instead of trying to fluff it into some goddamn headline.

[–] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Although these wellness farms might seem like a worthwhile idea on paper, there are plenty of ways these kinds of systems could be rife with abuse. It's also unclear how different they would really be from the rehabilitation facilities that already exist across the country, and RFK's claims that most of the issues come down to not eating organic food also don't seem to be based on hard science.

https://www.distractify.com/p/rfk-wellness-farms

Means well but it sounds here like they'll be volunteering at a farm for 3-4 uears, wasting their time

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah... "volunteering."

And for "as much time as they need."

Doesn't seem ominous at all from a guy with a brainworm in a government that's being jizzed on by the whole for-profit-prison industry. I'm sure they'll have no interest in these "wellness farms".

Arbeit macht frei.

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

"Voluntary".... In the same way that gay conversion therapy is voluntary, or the same way those kid murdering behavioral farms are voluntary.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Voluntary, as in NYPD saying you’ll be arrested if you don’t voluntarily go into their overcrowded bedbug homeless shelter?

This is not as benign as you think. RFK already thinks vaccines annd prescribed meds are child abuse.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Time to add futurism.com to my block list. What a useless rag.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 15 points 4 days ago

100% They are part of the death of journalism. Inaccurate, hyped headlines that disagree with the body of the article. Designed to get "engagement" and not to inform. Fuck them.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

can we report this sort of thing here? downvoting has never worked.

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[–] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (16 children)

You clearly have not read the history of Nazi era labor camps. They had very nice sounding propaganda for Germans to believe too.

Don't kid yourself. They mean forced labor camps.

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 14 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Stop fucking sane washing him. "If they want to" is a dubious statement coming from anyone in this authoritarian administration.

The fact that he brings up "reparenting", it seems fairly obvious that this is going to be done by authority of the state. He's talking about taking people's kids away from them if they medicate their children as recommended by their doctors.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 18 points 4 days ago

Stop fucking sane washing him

You'll notice I called him a "total whackjob". I do not say he is sane. However, I wish to criticize what he ACTUALLY said instead of some bombastic caricature of his plan. In no way do I support or endorse RFK, but let's be accurate with our criticism.

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[–] jerakor@startrek.website 326 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Some sort of camp to help ADHD folks work on their concentration?

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 94 points 4 days ago

Laughed too hard at this. It’s a Focus Group!!!

[–] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago

call it a focus village or soemthing

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I imagine a terrible, awful future Forest Gump remake.

“They had these camps that helped folks with their concentration or something like that. They said I was a shine-ning example, so I got to meet the president of the United States, again.”

“They tell me this guy is the best example. Got treated, got rich in shrimp. What a guy! Our camps are great, the best camps in all the world.”

Camera pans to Trump shaking hands with Kim Jong Un.

“In Korea, everybody got these pic-tures of their leader on the wall. We got those in Alabama too.”

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 166 points 4 days ago (6 children)

"I’m going to create these wellness farms where they can go to get off of illegal drugs, off of opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs, if they want to, to get off of SSRIs, to get off of benzos, to get off of Adderall, and to spend time as much time as they need — three or four years if they need it — to learn to get reparented, to reconnect with communities," he said during the broadcast.

Isn’t it neat how he mixes in prescribed medical treatments? Neato.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 83 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Uh yeah, no.

I once thought it might be an idea to try and back off from 100mg sertraline to 50mg sertraline and on day two I wanted to strangle people. You can take my SSRIs from my cold dead hands.

[–] brown567@sh.itjust.works 40 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, I'm on 300mg sertraline daily, and I sometimes have trouble getting my prescription filled (understandable, it's a way bigger dose than usual)

But if I'm not on it, the suicidal thoughts usually start on day 3

So if they were to take my SSRIs, I would quickly be killed by my own cold, dead hands

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[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Have you tried going outside and snapping out of it?"

-RFK Jr., probably

So school shootings are a mental health problem, so he wants to do the opposite of help. Goddamn, make these people make sense.

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (18 children)

He's a big believer in the whole "keeping people on drugs isn't the fix" kind of thinking. It's short-sighted and ignorant of the fact that a lot of people on them have a net benefit to function in society.

What he is proposing is something far more stupid akin to "Well look at me. I've never needed these drugs, and I'm totally fine. WTF, people?"

If you want a country that is doing the proper work to stop jumping to long-term prescriptions as problem solvers, I'm all for that. DO NOT confuse that with these dumb shit he's suggesting though.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Also, "get reparented" is some very sinister cult programming (ie brain washing) language..

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[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 135 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So his solution to ADHD is a concentration camp?

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 55 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sure, that way they can learn to concentrate.

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[–] BenReilly97@lemmy.world 117 points 4 days ago (6 children)

And a tax on cannabis sales would fund these farms, he proposed.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but... is he really suggesting a federal tax on a federally illegal substance?

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 79 points 4 days ago (5 children)

You hope he is just being clever and indirectly talking about legalizing cannabis, but you know that in reality he is just so incompetent that he has no idea what he is talking about.

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[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 52 points 4 days ago

So they're just already saying the "camps" part out loud, eh? I guess when you have Hitler's playbook, you can move faster than Hitler did.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

He won’t have to look vet far. In the last Trump administration, Provigil was handed out like breath mints.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-white-house-drugs-speed-xanax-1234979503/

[–] Zier@fedia.io 40 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Is he not aware that the fascist pumpkin he will be working for pops those like breath mints?? Please do send that rapist con man to a labor camp.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago

Yes I am sure not being hypocrites is high on their list of concerns

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[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 63 points 4 days ago (2 children)

A lot of Americans have to pass a drug test to get a new job. Perhaps RFK would like if we applied this reasoning to Trump's whole cabinet?

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 48 points 4 days ago

They’re skipping the FBI checks. Safe to say there will be no drug tests.

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[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This is part of some rural grift facilities which probably started with "trouble teens". In recent years I've seen reports of these "farms" for "distressed" women. It's usually a place with Ranch in the name. Example: https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2021/11/18/the-christian-maternity-ranch-in-texas-is-a-disaster-in-the-making/

Permaculture farms, for example, are already well known for relying on abusive work conditions. See Joel Salatin:

https://medium.com/permaculture-3-0/fall-of-a-hero-f9ac80a08c0c

https://www.motherjones.com/food/2020/11/joel-salatin-chris-newman-farming-rotational-grazing-agriculture/

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[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 40 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As a minority with ADHD I guess I'm fucked.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago

Nothing to see here, just politics as usual, the liberals are just trying to scare everyone. /s

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, I already started weaning myself off my depression meds. Went cold turkey once, and that was a nightmare. They're planning to kill the VA, so fuck our service. I'm never getting cut off again. I'll switch to natural alternatives, thank you.

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[–] Today@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago (3 children)

They pay your mortgage and buy your kids food while you're there?

[–] Infomatics90@lemmy.ca 19 points 4 days ago

what the hell. staying in Canada.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If he comes for my antidepressants he can haul me off but he can't make me cooperate.

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[–] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Phew, glad my psychiatrist prescribed me Ritalin.

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[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

This whole post is spam.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (5 children)
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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Fuck that.

I strongly dislike how the argument hinges on the very movable goalpost of "illegal" drugs. It has this awful moralizing "protect the kids while we destroy privacy", vibe to it.

At first I though this would require an end-run on HIPAA, but all they really need to do is re-schedule a bunch of therapeutic drugs. Or ignore the FDA entirely and just enforce a ban by edict (somehow) through a different agency. I don't think we've ever seen federal agencies openly disagree like that before, but I think it's possible. Also: big pharma may have something to say about all this.

Like a lot of the nonsense coming from this cabinet, it'll test the crap out of state's rights.

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[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Just sounds like torture camps people voluntarily go to. Why would they remain voluntary? These people think public facilities that give out small doses to prevent people from dying from withdrawal and needle dispenseries to prevent STIs are immoral, so we all know it's torture. This is obvious whether you read the article or not for all of the nuance trolls.

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