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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Democrats, in the eyes of liberals, can only be failed, they cannot fail of their own accord. Now, more than ever, is a good time to start reading theory, as many liberals are disaffected by the US election. I wrote an introductory reading list for Marxism in case anyone wants one.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social -4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This wasn't the Democrats being failed, it was the whole country being failed. It wasn't about voting for the Democrats, it was about voting against Donald Trump, and there was only one way to effectively do that. Everyone who refused to do that got exactly what they voted for with Trump, whatever ends up happening, but rather than accepting that maybe this was the worst option, they're just posting memes about how everyone didn't push back against the democrats hard enough, so I doubt it'll sink in.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Do you think continuing the slide into fascism as Capitalism continues to decay is a good thing? If not, how do you plan on stopping it?

The fact of the matter is that the Democrats ran to the right of Biden in 2020 and committed fully to genocide. They lost the support they had, and they lost enough to lose the popular vote as well as electoral college. This was a massive failure, and if your plan was simply to vote Dem and hope for the best, then it's clear that your plan A failed. What's your plan B?

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net -1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Plan B has a stink on it. We are calling it Plan D now.

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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Everyone always talks like defeating Trump in the election is the end-all be-all of the disussion. Voting Democrat and preventing Trump from taking the white house should have been an obvious step. It is not the best outcome for the election, nor is it the end of the ongoing decay of late-stage capitalism into wealth-based fascism, but all this whataboutism and strawmanning Democrat voters as believing Kamala was going to single-handedly save democracy is disingenous. It was never "Plan A". It was one minor, marginally better compromise in the collective of shit we should be doing.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Voting Kamala failed. The Democrats failed to run a campaign that won. That is in the past. What I am saying is that voting Democrat did not work, so I am asking what their plan actually is, if voting Dem wasn't plan A then what is?

Leftists already have a plan that isn't contingent on winning a presidential election. Do liberals?

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, they don’t. Liberals believe that voting democrat every four years and arguing with leftists on the internet is activism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The Brunch Brigade, I call them.

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

thank god trump one and so now the genocide is all over.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No one forced the democrats to do this:

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 6 points 1 week ago (8 children)

yeah its not like republicans tied ukraine aid to aid for israel or anything. /s

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Maybe we shouldn't have supported Ukraine if it meant supporting genocide

[–] lengau@midwest.social -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And in a mirror universe where that decision got made someone's arguing "maybe we shouldn't have cut funding to Israel if it meant allowing the genocide in Ukraine."

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Thank goodness the Democrats perpetuated the genocide in Gaza so they wouldn't lose to Trump! 🤦

[–] Alice@beehaw.org 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yup. I don't understand why people are talking like Harris isn't also pro-genocide. Obviously more Americans are going to die under Trump and that's a tragedy too, but why are people pretending the election was about Palestine?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The election was never about Palestine, ultimately the Dems lost of their own volition by running rightward with Liz Cheney. Rather than going with a safe win like ending support for genocide and running on a progressive platform, or even a Leftist platform (which the DNC would never do, for the record, even if it would win), they deliberately chose to lose to the reps. Their donors would rather have Trump than progressive Dems win.

More Americans would die under Harris as well. The US Empire is crumbling, even if Harris won that wouldn't stop that process, what's necessary is for the working class to get organized.

Meanwhile, Palestine burns and the Dems got away with it.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca -4 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Rather than going with a safe win like ending support for genocide

Irrelevant

Trump ran on “the Dems aren’t doing enough for Israel” and won the Arabic vote

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