They will never survive without Chicago. Rightwingers are the biggest welfare queens in America.
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Need a balanced budget amendment.
I'm tired of all my money going to worthless red states where reading is considered unmasculine.
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Grew up around central Illinois, the whole area blames Chicago for their problems while the true issue is all the auto manufacturing left in the 70-80s. If they formed their own state they'd be worse off than Mississippi. But hey, they'd get to keep Danville and East St. Louis, two of the worst cities in America.
If they formed their own state they'd be worse off than Mississippi
Hey now, no need for exaggeration! It takes decades if not centuries of extreme corruption and bigotry to get THAT awful. You don't get a title fight as your first bout.
Hey, that’s not fare to welfare queens.
The only way you can do that is if Congress signs off on it.
Every other state has an incentive not to permit that, because then that state gets two senators of its own.
Congress has only ever permitted a state to split a single time -- West Virginia from Virginia, during the American Civil War, where West Virginia was willing to side with the Union, and contained some militarily-important rail and water infrastructure.
Texas also negotiated the right to have the ability to split into five states if it wanted down the line at the time it joined, but I recall reading that it was considered to no longer be an exerciseable option after the American Civil War.
EDIT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admission_to_the_Union
Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1:
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.[4]
EDIT2: Correction; Kentucky was also split from Virginia and Maine from Massachusetts. The Kentucky split happened before the US Constitution was ratified. Maine was part of the Missouri Compromise, to keep slave and free states in balance when Missouri joined as a slave state.
Tennessee split from North Carolina. Georgia split off Mississippi and Alabama
Creating new states from territory that nominally belonged to an existing state (in the sense of claiming everything west of their established territory) but was actually unexplored frontier was a little different than carving a chunk out of an existing state with fully-established borders after the fact.
No doubt it's a bit different. But it was still splitting and both did have established western boundaries.
TN also almost split like VA in the civil war. They were the last to secede (doing so to protest Lincoln calling for state militia members to quell the rebellion). East TN (Knoxville region) was unionist whereas West TN (Memphis region) was rebellious. TN also supplied the most fighters to the union of any secessionist state.
They almost split because the east was mountainous and unfit for plantations, so the plantation owners that ran all the southern state legislatures shit on them endlessly, as is their wont.
East Tennessee had for long had quarrels with the rest of the state. The culture and economic differences caused great strife between the regions. But it had railroads vital to connect VA with the rest of the south without going around the mountains.
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I love how the vote was for them to just talk to other counties about it to see if they could do it.
"Yeah we went and talked about it. Turns out you can't actually do that. Who woulda thought? Anyway, how 'bout dem Bears?"
Quebec's first referendum on Independence was like that, the government was asking for approval to negotiate the terms in order to hold a second referendum where people would know in advance how it would be handled, aka the reverse of how Brexit was handled (even though their referendum didn't make it an obligation to do it).
Fuck it at this point. Won't matter when you're paying those 40% tariffs. Everyone will be poor but the already rich.
Only if we combine the Dakotas and New Illinois gets the senators from that.
Let's split California into 3 while we're at it.
If you split California into 3, 2 of them would be Republican. Unless you create the city states of SF and LA, then rest-California would be red.
Have the splits fall on the center of the cities then.
As is tradition
The States Attorney already said its nothing more than a symbolic gesture. They legally cannot secede from the state. I have the severe misfortune of living in one of these counties. Everything around here is dead or dying because of decades of total, uncontested Republican rule. Whole towns here are nearly abandoned. And yet, they STILL bitch about how the Democrats, who have no control here, have ruined everything.
Only if they secede from the country
And then 2 years later they realize their tax base can't support their infrastructure and this is how Iowa grows a couple gnarly tentacles
Then California splits into 20 states.
And DC becomes a state.
- DC
- Puerto Rico + US Virgin Islands form a Carribean US state
- Guam, American Samoa, Northern Marinara Islands form a Pacific US state
- Navajo nation (the largest native american nation with significant territories) forms a state
I’d suspect the Navajo Nation wouldn’t want to cede their claim of nationhood for statehood
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Not the solution you think it is. It would be the rural Republican areas of California that would split off, meaning the magats would have an even stronger lock on the senate.
Seriously good idea. Most of them would still have more population than some of the potato fields with overblown grandeur calling themselves "States".
I saw that on the ballot in Madison County and thought there would be no way it would pass. It passed in all 7 counties that had the proposal in the ballot.
There’s no way the counties down here can be financially solvent without the northern half of the state.
People keep telling me not to worry. After seeing so many things that “would never happen” come to pass it is difficult to not take this seriously. Both mine and my wife’s retirement is solely based on our Illinois teacher pensions. I’m guessing those dissolve if this comes to pass? Do I move preemptively?
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Good riddance. Now let them struggle with import/export procedures with the USA, and sudden absence of farming subsidies.
Think they are suceding from the state , not the US.
But the USA decides what the states and territories are, so … they can’t just decide they’re a new state. That’s not how it works.
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Ha, good luck.
no one cares what that one dude in Sandwhich, Il thinks.
no.
Last I checked, Iroquois county had 9000 yes votes to secede. Good luck with that massive tax revenue base. Chicagoland's 10 million plus residents will be happy to stop sending them money.
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I fully expect the US to balkanize eventually.
If the southern states are finally ejected, then whatever is left will be 10x stronger.
It was after reconstruction, when the south wasn't able to give all their votes to their favorite sons in the senate that we finally started to develop as a country with things like the intercontinental railroad.
Ejecting the south would lead to a new golden age for the US.
It's because of the infinite southern corruption hole that we put NASA in Alabama, where it basically collapsed into failure, and the superconducting-supercollider's 50B dollars were swallowed by Texas because they wouldn't let it be built in Illinois, then their contractors ate the rest of the money.
Russia should be against a balkanization, the South was the only thing holding the US back, without them we're unstoppable.
Shoulda let Sherman continue his march and torch the whole thing down. Reconstruction was a mistake.
Weirdly reassuring reminder of their incompetence, not gonna get complacent tho.
Honestly, if NYC voted to secede from the state, it would probably be pretty popular. Albany doesn't even pretend to view us as anything more than a piggy bank at this point.
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