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[–] Questy@lemmy.world 124 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Having elected a fascist autocrat, who already prepared the way by having the supreme court declare him above the law. Living in the country with the most militarized police, a nation with a massive capability to spy on it's own citizens, citizens who have little critical thinking capability to begin with. A society where social media creates the reality those poorly educated citizens live in, and social media is owned by oligarchs who benefit from a system where pleasing one narcissistic leader gives them power over regulators and increases their wealth more rapidly. I think people are a little optimistic to believe we can't call the next election today.

[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 59 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ding ding ding! This is the right answer folks. US citizens will be lucky to get fair elections (if at all) for the foreseeable future. There is no counterweight to what lies ahead, the doors to hell have been opened and no one is coming to save you. If you are in the US, you have the following choices: leave, survive (read: assimilate or hide), or fight.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If you are in the US, you have the following choices: leave, survive (read: assimilate or hide), or fight.

If you're wealthy and worth a shit you can leave. No country on earth worth moving to will accept my worthless factory worker ass...

I just watched a video about "easiest countries for an American to move to" and was infuriated... I was expecting countries with low standards for acceptance except this is all it was:

1)digital nomad and retirees

2)digital nomad and retirees

3)digital nomad and retirees

4)digital nomad and retirees

5)digital nomad and retirees

...for fucks sake those people already have the world to choose from... Guess I'll just suffer.

[–] Foreigner@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm sorry, it mega sucks and unfortunately you can only pick from the other two remaining options. If you're not part of the targeted minorities or vocally a part of the opposition, here are some tips on assimilation:

  • Keep your head down and keep a low profile
  • Stay out of any media attention at all costs
  • Be VERY careful with who you trust - denunciations are a common tool used by fascist governments to find targets. Avoid pissing off anyone who could throw you to the wolves.
  • Button up any communications that could ever be construed as a slight against the ruling party. That means getting off social media, browsing and communicating on the internet completely anonymously, stop using devices and software that can spy on you. Wipe anything that can be interpreted as criticism of the ruling party that can be connected to you.
  • Keep any documents with proof of citizenship on you at all times
  • Start sounding like you've always supported the party and their ideas, or that you've suddenly "seen the way" and agree with them now.
  • This one is riskier in the long term as fascists eventually start eating one another, but if you can, try to get a low level position in the party. Something inconsequential like cleaning, paperwork, etc.

Essentially, start studying what other people did to survive under similarly oppressive regimes. The change won't happen overnight, but if this is going the way I think it's going, your access to options will become increasingly limited so do what you can now to get ready.

Alternatively, wait until it becomes clear that you're a political target, travel somewhere where you can get refugee status and claim asylum once you're there. You don't want to leave this until it's too late, and it'll get increasingly harder to do, but there's no way to tell yet what the trigger could be.

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[–] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'll fight. There's a line that I draw: if they start deporting legal immigrants I will be a domestic terrorist, just like the GOP

Strange, I can't find a picture of the banner that said exactly that at cpac. Just like the GOP said, nah I'm just kidding

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think they’re a little optimistic to assume any elections that aren’t Putin style going forward. We are done as We The People. The American Experiment is over.

That feeling in your belly? That need to huddle with your people, in closeness and silence? It’s the waiting room. Because you don’t know what we are going to be yet, but it’s not going to be a democracy and it’s not going to be America.

Wishful thinking is part of how we got here.

[–] treefrog@lemm.ee 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Putin style elections are exactly the plan. I don't expect Trump to live long though and I don't expect his cult of personality to live after him.

But, reclaiming any sort of democracy from the autocrats will be very difficult. The damage was done Tuesday. And it will take generations for this country to recover, if it does it all.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

It’s easy to break stuff. Building up the United States of America again? Probably not. Rome has fallen.

Worse, this creates a giant power vacuum globally. We’re already seeing bits of it from his last presidency in Russia and Israel.

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[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Big difference between this and 2016 is JD Vance is the adult, not Mike Pence. His ties to Peter Thiel is scary. Also we just had a billionaire buy votes, no way that is going to stop now.

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 84 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

No they won't.

Trump just said that he's going to impose tariffs that are going to increase the cost of living by about $400 a month per family. Elon Musk just said he plans on imposing "hardship" on the country for a few years. And Americans voted ovewhelmingly in favor of that. The economy will tank, yes. But they'll just blame Democrats and the voters will eat it up.

Don't believe me? gestures at Tuesday.

That's assuming we have another election at all. Trump -- A man, remember, that has repeatedly said that terminating the Constitution was on the table -- now has the White House, both branches of government, a supreme court largely appointed by him, and several state governments. Moderate republicans have been successfully rooted out or marginalized. Trump could very well follow through on that promise, backdropped by the thunderous applause of the other two branches of government.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The trend is that when the economy is bad for the average person, it hurts the incumbent.

I don't think the people whose votes swung the election in Trump's favor know how tariffs work or what policies Musk has in mind. They don't even know why eggs are expensive (bird flu); they just know things were cheaper last time Trump was president.

Of course that's assuming there's a free and fair election next time around.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

And these goldfish forgot that gas prices were low because of a botched COVID response that way, way reduced demand and rocketed back up because we all got out of lockdown and demand went back to normal, at least that was partly why the prices went up.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Complaining that people don't know how economics work and that they have the memory of a goldfish is like complaining that knights move weird in chess.

These are the rules of the game we're trying to win. Whining about how stupid everyone is doesn't change the fact that we need to get stupid people to vote.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Price-gouging had a lot to do with it too.

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[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago

I already had a trucker come into work saying the Dems have been propping up the economy and it'll fail for God-Emperor Cheeto. Already making excuses.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And Americans voted ovewhelmingly in favor of that.

I really hate that I'm seeing this everywhere. Americans overwhelmingly didn't vote. Yes, according to math that means they voted for Trump, but why they didn't bother to vote is a lot more important. Yes, that means they're responsible for what happens, but if Democrats can't get people to vote for them how do they expect to win?

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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Suspending or terminating the Constitution by the federal government is definitely a good reason for secession if I've ever seen one. I hope California and other such states are thinking hard about their future here. That would be the last act of the United states.

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[–] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 61 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Democrats are NOT leftists, they're center right at best. They ultimately serve corporate interests and NOT the will of the people.

You will never get universal healthcare, police reform, free college, less military spending, and other leftist ideals from the Democrat party because they're not leftists. Doing these things runs counter to the interests of their corporate masters.

We have a fascist party and a conservative party, but we don't actually have a liberal party. We haven't had one since before Clinton.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

We don't need a liberal party. We need a party that serves the interests of people, not corporations and oligarchs.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

We need a labor party.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

We needed Bernie.

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

Historically, fascist governments are voted in.

They're never voted out.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

This is exactly what has me so horrified. Hitler was stopped as was Mussolini.

There's no one strong enough to stop America and with our geographic and strategic locations we're practically invincible. :(

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You don't vote fascism away. This is why it was so important for the DNC to listen this time around.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Whoop-de-frickin-doo.

If Project 2024 is implemented, it’ll take many consecutive terms with full control of Congress to fix the damage, assuming it can be fixed at all.

Repealing legislation is far easier than enacting it. Trump was able to repeal 112 climate regulations in his first term, during a pandemic.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks-list.html

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't forget the judges like Cannon they plan on installing now that they have full control of the Senate. Those people never go away. Any future government will have any attempt to make change shot down by rubber stamp judges.

The billionaire class won.

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And when the Democrats don't fix it fast enough, Republicans will get elected all over again.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

We still haven’t recovered from Reagan. This is going to take a looooong time to fix.

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[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

People have got to stop believing that "things will just work out."

No, they won't.

We aren't guaranteed anything. I'm sorry after school specials lied to you, but there is no "spirit of goodness" that permeates reality that will make all of this okay.

There are no heroes coming to save us from the fire.

We let the worst happen, and now if we ever want decency again, we are going to have to fight tooth and nail against tyrrany to make it happen. Period.

Don't waste your time listening to anyone still talking about this situation in terms of candyland simplicity and standard decorum. Not even the shitty status quo will save us, because we blew up the status quo in favor of fascism.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

No they won't because the opposition party will be crushed. This mirror's Mussolini and Hitler exactly as a classical fascist rise to power. The Democrats will be no more in four years.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They're already tearing themselves apart, as planned.

Republicans know that without a strong Democratic party, they will remain in power indefinitely. Once they have control over everything, they can crush any movement that aims to challenge them.

Anyone thinking that the next 4 years is an opportunity for a third party is going to be horrified when they find out what's really coming.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If they need a sneak peak they can look no further than the history of Mussolini, or Hitler. The strenuous members of the parry are already being abandoned. The capitalists have already backed the fascist as is par for course. Next up is the installment into power and the oppression of any dissenters. Afterwards its a heyday on whatever scapegoats they've chosen and war.

The only goal now is survival and resistance.

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[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 17 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

..and Republicans will certainly crash the economy.

The only question left is whether or not there will be elections in 2026.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

There will be elections in 2026. The question is how fair they will be.

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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 17 points 2 weeks ago

The Democrats won't win until and unless they grow a spine. This is not a situation where genteel institutionalists are needed: we need people with principles, discipline, drive and focus, who won't stop fighting until the corruption is completely rooted out.

Republican voters turn out for anyone with an R.

Reality doesn't matter to the cult.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

You think there's going to be another vote?

[–] dhcmrlchtdj__@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Another way of saying “Americans have absolutely no spine”

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

And absolutely no memory. I keep seeing "I was better off four years ago." Really? We were in the middle of a pandemic that was so badly mismanaged that we suffered a higher death rate than any other developed economy, and caused all the issues Biden has worked four years to untangle.

[–] Atropos@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Around 2/3 of us, yes. The 1/3 who voted red, and the 1/3 who did not vote.

But not all of us.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

They needed to remind people how they had to scramble for toilet paper when Trump was in office. That was on his watch, not Biden's.

Was Biden's economy bad? Yeah, but not "buying bootleg toilet paper" bad.

[–] justhach@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

The cope among thr Democrats post election has been embarassing. 0 reflection as to why they lost (just like in 2016), blaming every possible external factor imaginable instead of thinking "hey, maybe we sucked and need to actualy be people that people want to elect" instead of relying on the "ooooh this guy is bed, better vote for us to keep him out" strategy.

They have fucked up in a major way, in what should have been a slam-dunk election, by ignoring what people actually want and trying to be Great Value Republicans when the right has Coca-Cola Fascism readily available to them.

I hope adherence to the corporate staus quo was worth it, you absolute fucking buffoons.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Assuming Democrats are still around to campaign expect the same milquetoast, center-right bullshit platform of getting things "back to normal" to kill any kind of enthusiasm from their base. Don't get me wrong I voted for Harris but I'm getting really tired of voting against having evil men in power over someone I actually like. I want Bernie Sanders, not Margaret Thatcher Lite.

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[–] LostMyRedditLogin@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

We're a seesaw government now with both parties captured by corporations. Each party will take turns as the world turns to shit.

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[–] just_ducky_in_NH@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Let the Democrat party die. We need a strong Labor party. Give it a different name, if desired, but we need a party that is unrelentingly for the people, not the corporations.

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

The problem is, the economy will rally in 2025 because of rampant deregulation. That rally will be marketed as "a booming economy", even if it's tanking by midterms. This will fuck our midterms chances. I hope I am wrong, but it seems obvious to me.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Elections?

If Republicans pull the house there will be no elections.

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