From a completely objective point of view, this is bonkers. The US has been using this opportunity to take out an old enemy at a discount price of other people's soldiers. This has been a monumental victory for anyone still holding out on Cold War feelings. Then suddenly, the Republicans just want to stop? This makes no sense for "Patriots" to do.
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This makes no sense for "Patriots" to do.
It sure does when you realize the thing these Republicans are pleading fealty to is Donald Trump who is a tin-pot dictator hopeful that has repeatedly cucked himself to Vladimir Putin.
Yeah but a patriot, by the true meaning of the word, would be screaming that we are about to hand Ukraine to Russia. What we have today are traitors pitching the flag.
Correct.
What we have today are traitors pitching the flag.
That's what we always had. The people fighting the Cold War weren't patriots, they were business people making business decisions at the expense of human lives.
At one point in time, and even today, there has to be people that are here because we believe we can do good. So maybe fuckwads of this vein have always infected everything. But the same must be true for people fervent to do good, else we wouldn't have come this far before devolving back into warlords.
We came this far because it was profitable to come this far. The cogs of humanity have turned not because good people wanted to make progress, but because aloof people can make money off of the backs of good people who want to make progress. It's why the biggest steps forward are from people who try to change the status quo; they're willing to move outside the system of profit so they look for novel ways to do so. It just so happens that that's usually also a very profitable endeavor for a new set of people. That's not to say that good people don't get to positions of power, but that good people get to those positions of power because the rich people let them.
It's seriously pathetic how big and shitty he tries to act around US allies, but he bends over backwards to praise antagonistic countries and straight up dictators. He's so transparent.
It's not really suddenly. They've been trying to help Russia from the beginning. The attack by Hamas on Israel was very fortunate for Russia, since the republicans have been able to conflate the two so now the funding is stuck in limbo, funding Israel doesn't need for their genocide as it happens. Completely coincidentally Iran, who likely helped get arms to Hama's is a great friend of Russia. Israel being strangely myopic about that attack when they normally have eyes on everything is also very fortunate for Russia. It seems too elaborate for Russia to have orchestrated this in any way, but Putin has proven to be a conniving cunt in the past.
How will they make you scared and obedient if the ancient enemy is defeated? They'll have to make up alien invasions or some shit if Russia loses too hard.
Naw we still have China, NK, Iran. Plenty of boogie men to keep us in line.
And immigrants, and trans people, and "demon rats"
The issue isn't lack of boogeymen, the issue is a bunch of greedy fucks acting against American interests to get dark money and other favors from Trump's mob boss Putin.
Is there a tipping point? Does there exist a state in which the average person is so exhausted from the constant aggitation of the two-prong attack of government and corporate manipulation? Where it is far better to tear it all down than risk another lie being uttered into the hearts of the vulnerable? Because I've hit that point. Nobody asked my permission to arrange my world in a way where my mind is under 24/7 assault.
Russia is their role-model now, and their master, not their enemy. They're pretty open about it.
I mean, it's not like they don't have alternative foreign enemies to pivot to, like China for example
It makes sense when the “Patriots” are materially benefiting from Russian interference in domestic politics, and thus have a vested interest in helping Putin out in the interests of a quid pro quo.
I don’t fucking care that NYT “debunked” that. There is no fucking way NYT then had - or even now has - enough data to make that judgement in anything even close to a convincing fashion, and the enormous preponderance of circumstantial evidence is absolutely damning.
Makes plenty of sense to the traitors though
Just like the Russiapublicans want.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
An aid package scheduled for Ukraine later this month will be the final one unless Congress approves additional help, the White House warned Monday.
In that letter, a copy of which was obtained by CNN, McCord wrote the department will be transferring “$1,071.117 million” to its accounts to replace its stockpiles and reimburse for “defense services” provide to Ukraine.
Biden has said he is willing to compromise with Republicans, but a deal remains unlikely before the end of the year, even after Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky met with congressional leaders last week in an effort to make his case directly to lawmakers.
Over the weekend, senior White House officials, including White House chief of staff Jeff Zients, called Republican and Democratic lawmakers to try to reach a consensus on border policy changes, two sources familiar with the discussions told CNN.
Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas was on Capitol Hill on Sunday to meet with Senate negotiators.
Sen. James Lankford of Oklahoma, the top Republican at the negotiation table for border talks, said he thinks meeting to discuss the legislation when the House returns the week of January 8 is a “realistic timeline.”
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