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[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 95 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

When is it my turn with the electron?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 69 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You can have it as long as you don't observe it.

[–] voldage@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

don't worry guys I'm keeping track of it it's moving very fast but oh fuck sorry guys my bad

[–] tetris11@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

For fuck sake Pauli, stop trying to smush it in the palm of your hand!

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm gonna catch it with chopsticks.

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[–] Dogs_cant_look_up@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It already is been again and soon now.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 77 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I see, charge is a class method and not an instance method. Well played universe creator.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 55 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

Don’t most sub-atomic particles have the same charge and mass? Why just electrons?

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, electrons are much smaller than protons, which are slightly smaller than neutrons.

[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 67 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think they meant “aren’t all protons the same as other protons?, neutrons as other neutrons?, etc.”

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah exactly. I couldn’t think of how to phrase that exactly without a long explanation though.

[–] MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown@fedia.io 12 points 3 weeks ago

It made sense to me. I also struggled to phrase it without sounding like I was insulting them for misunderstanding you.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You'd have to ask John Wheeler, which would be difficult since he died in 2008.

[–] BenPranklin@lemmy.world 75 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Just get the electron to ask him next time it goes back in time, duh

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I would, but I only speak positronic.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The whole thing is an abstraction. The nucleus isn't actually tiny ball shaped things mashed together, but rather cloudy stuff which would probably not be identical if we could actually see them. The quarks that make up protons and neutrons are considered elementary particles and identical, but they don't move around much unless energy is used to split them.

The electron however is an elementary particle that moves outside of the nucleus and can move from one atom to another. So the hypothesis is that if we could follow one electron from the big bang to the end of the universe, and this electron could move both forwards and backwards in time, it would potentially be enough with just one.

It probably doesn't hold up very well, but it's an interesting thought experiment.

[–] Backlog3231@reddthat.com 8 points 3 weeks ago

Quarks and gluons are a roiling, seething sea of energy. The particles move at fractions the speed of light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZfmG_h5Oyg

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[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

A big part of quantum mechanics is the fact that matter can show wave-like behaviour, which sort of breaks a bunch of "rules" that we have from classical physics. This only is relevant if we're looking at stuff at a teensy tiny scale.

Someone else has already mentioned that electrons are a fair bit smaller than protons and neutrons (around 1840 times smaller) and this means they tend to have a smaller momentum than protons or neutrons, which means they have a larger wavelength, which was easier to measure experimentally. That's likely why electrons were a part of this theory, because they're small enough that they're sort of a perfect way to study the idea of things that are both particle and wave, but also neither. In 1940, quantum mechanics and particle physics were super rapidly moving fields, where our knowledge hadn't congealed much yet. What was clear was that electrons get up to some absolute nonsense behaviour that broke our understanding of how the world worked.

I like the results of some of the worked examples here: https://www.chemteam.info/Electrons/deBroglie-Equation.html , especially the one where they work out what the wavelength of a baseball would be (because that too, could theoretically act like a wave, it would just have an impossibly small wavelength)

TL;DR: electrons are smaller than protons/neutrons Smaller = larger wavelength Larger wavelength = easier to make experiments to see wave-like behaviour from the particle Therefore electrons were useful in figuring out how the heck a particle can have a wavelength and act like a wave

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Nobody wants to covalent anymore.

[–] SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Fine, I’ll do it myself
-Thelectron

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You have to be bonded and that's a whole bureaucratic mess.

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[–] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago

Let him cook

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Create the parent entity electron, give it properties, then clone as needed

That's just efficient world design, guys, why make assets different if you don't gotta, yakno?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Put a new skin on it and everyone thinks it's a whole different electron.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 31 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

So if I can destroy 1 electron I destroy every electron?

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You would need a positron to do that and all you might have done is reflect it backwards in time.

If you could "remove" it by placing it into another dimension, it might disprove the theory, but the causal domain might be larger then previous assumed.

This is one of those Math Theories that isn't technically a Science Theory. We can make a mathematical model, but it's untestable.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 14 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Only in its future. Probably you’d have to find the electron precisely at the end of its timeline.

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[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago

Thanos should have picked a better strategy

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago
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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

To his credit, Wheeler did try to make a quantum leap. It just wasn't coherent. If he had kept at it, I'm sure he would have had momentum.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm glad you realized the gravity of the situation.

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[–] iii@mander.xyz 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively.

[–] Cascio@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Life is just a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather!

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

Shouldn't be just electrons though - don't all instances of any given type of subatomic particle have the same mass and charge?

[–] callyral@pawb.social 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

second, slightly different electron shows up

universe implodes or something

[–] PoopBuffet@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Na, we got those too. Muons, tauons and neutrinos. But the universe unfortunately hasn't imploded, meaning I have to go to work and pay taxes and shit.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So, if route all of the electricity in my house through my body, how far can I travel in time? What about a car battery’s worth?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sorry, you need 1.21 jiggawats.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I’m going to have to modify my juicer.

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[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 weeks ago

It is an interesting theory, for sure. Instead of countless 3-dimensional particles, you have a single (or very few) 4-dimensional objects. You can imagine it like a sheet of fabric that is our present, with everything above the sheet being the future, everything below the past. When you want to sew a thread (our electron) through the sheet, you need to pierce the fabric, but to do it again, you first need to piece it the other way, giving you a positron. You can create or destroy arbitrary many of these, but you need create or destroy one of each every time. More interestingly, it is exactly determined which two will annihilate each other, as the allegorical loop of thread gets pulled tighter and tighter until it gets pulled though the sheet. The universe would be deterministic.

I'm sure there's a myriad of contradictions to modern QM and particle physics, but it's fun to think about nonetheless

[–] Technotica@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

One reason why that is probably not true is because there are less positrons but if it were true they should number the same as electrons, right?

But if electrons are moving along the same "time direction" as we are and positrons are moving in the opposite "direction" then wouldn't we expect there to be less protons? As we can't measure the protons that already "passed" us? And we would measure more electrons as a some/many/all of the existing electrons are traveling alongside us?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you may have put more thought into this than Feynman. But then he probably had someone waiting for him in bed...

[–] Technotica@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I know! Horrible isn't it? I just can't help it, thinking about stuff is actually fun for me... so embarrassing!

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It was more a joke about how Feynman had two great loves: physics and fucking. And probably fucking more than physics.

[–] Technotica@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah I see ;) I also have two loves, but my gaming pc is too heavy to drag to bed...

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[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] i_love_FFT@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Currently reading Hyperion... Got it, the electron is the Shrike!

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