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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 311 points 3 weeks ago (22 children)

The Madison Square Garden rally, operatic in its repulsive bigotry, will almost certainly alienate more voters who might have voted for Trump.

Will it really? Is there someone out there who didn't know until this event that he was a bigot and an awful person and is now going to change their mind?

[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 148 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

You know what's crazy? That answer is almost certainly yes.

I live in a red area and more and more people are starting to see some cracks

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 99 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

As great as that is to hear, I have to wonder under what rock those people have been living up to now.

[–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 79 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Honestly, I kind of get it.

I'm very attuned to keeping up with what is happening in the world, at least at a base level. The number of people I've met who just dont do that is staggering. The other day I ran into someone who didn't know what happened on J6. Maybe they were playing dumb, but I didn't think so.

The reason i kinda get it is because this shit is depressing. I would love to be able to just tune out everything political related and only see feeds relating to my hobbies and just be totally ignorant of how fucked everything is. I guess some people saw that opportunity and took it.

[–] MimicJar@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago

It's fatigue. If there were a turd-based fireworks show outside your house every night, eventually you just have to ignore it.

At first, exploding turds, I kinda want to see that. Eventually everything is covered in shit. That's sort of a problem. A few folks try to clean it up, but it's A LOT of shit. Your house is covered in shit. Your car is covered in shit. You go to the car wash and things improve... But your car is covered in shit again pretty quickly, so that felt like a waste.

Then someone asks you about that one time when a bunch of people broke into a building and let off shit fireworks everywhere. Sure that was new, but the nightly turd extravaganza still went off just the same. Plus the turd fireworks are always being set off in new and unusual places. I can't be expected to remember them all.

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[–] expr@programming.dev 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In my neighborhood, I've seen some houses take down their Trump signs. Dunno if it means anything, but I don't think I had ever seen that before.

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[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

I live in a Southern city. I shop in nice stores that are advertised in Garden & Gun.

They are selling Reagan Bush ‘80 and Reagan Bush ‘84 swag.

That is a dog whistle to say “I’m not down with Trump, but it’s not because I’m not conservative”.

There are serious cracks.

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 92 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah, the "political suicide" bit is immediately questionable. The fact that this race is even close has destroyed any remaining shreds of faith in my fellow Americans.

Trump could go up in stage and rant about black people, using the hard-R; he could repeat the sexist comments he's already famous for; he could probably even criticize Christians - none of it would move the needle. People voting for him aren't doing so because they think he's a great person; they're doing it because they hate liberals.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

I think it would actually get him more votes.

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 weeks ago

8 years later, still riding that click-generating wave of “can you believe how racist this guy is?!”

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 136 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Unless people go out an vote, it won't be suicide. They're just pandering to their base. The Dems need to participate and not go on good feels a la 2016.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 46 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

he's not planning to "win" by votes...

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, but he's not in power unlike 2016. Yes, we should watch for and be ready to react within the law to fake elector schemes, collaborating with hostile foreign interests, inciting coups and violence, etc but if we do, there's fuck-all he can do about it. Trumpism dies with his political career. In the final stretch, let's reject him with so many votes they can't possibly claim another "stolen" election!

[–] Oyml77@lemmy.today 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

My concern is that Trump is defeated in the election, declared is stolen, and we do react within the law to fight it, but Trump is declared President by the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court anyway. Once Project 2025 starts rolling out as policy, how many of us are then willing to start reacting outside of the new law? Most Germans were not fervent supporters of the Nazi party. They just didn't want to get in trouble with the ruling government. Are you willing to risk your life to fight the fascists? Are you willing to risk the lives of your family? Or do you learn to survive with your head down and not make waves...

Not calling anyone out for anything, but I often have to wonder about how I would react now that it keeps getting closer to reality.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 116 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I've lost count of how many "political suicides" Trump has allegedly gone through since 2015.... Yet somehow, here he still is...

My faith in humanity has been severely diminished by the fact his candidacy keeps surviving what in a sane world would be disqualifying events/revelations.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Kamala is expected to prove her worth for office and cannot be less than perfect, whereas Trump is allowed to repeatedly prove how unfit he is day after day

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 113 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

That man is politically immortal. There is nothing he can do to "commit political suicide".

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago

I came to say something like "too bad this guy is a zombie, smells like one too."

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[–] mcteazy@sh.itjust.works 107 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Yeah if he was the title would’ve said, “Slammed”

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[–] IMNOTCRAZYINSTITUTION@lemmy.world 93 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I think trump could go on stage, strip naked, turn around and shotgun ass blast on the front row crowd and they'd still give their lives to vote for him

[–] SPRUNT@lemmy.world 54 points 3 weeks ago

The next rally would charge a premium to sit in the "splash zone".

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[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 84 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

It wasn't the rape charges, or saying he wants to fuck his daughter, or saying immigrants are eating pets, or that people are getting abortions at 9 months, or trying to build that stupid fucking wall, or banning Muslims, or botching covid, or the insurrection, or calling on proud boys, or having meeting with Putin, or having meetings with Netanyahu, or...

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

..grab 'em by the pussy, or vets are suckers and losers, or his love letters with Kim, or his generals not being loyal like hitler's, or shoving light up the asses of covid victims, or bleach, or TAKING A SHARPIE TO A HURRICANE MAP, or never releasing his financial records, or his fucking health records, or...

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[–] peppers_ghost@lemmy.ml 75 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Donald Trump could walk around NYC naked and shrieking the n word and he wouldn't lose a single follower from his base. He's s got a cult of personality around him that is basically indestructible.

[–] maxenmajs@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

It seems that is what he's committed to. There isn't much talk of policy anymore from anyone on his team. They're going all in on explicit xenophobia and transphobia and so on for this final stretch.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 72 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If he wins I swear I'm going to post a collage of these moronic article titles claiming gg ez a week before elections.

Feels 1:1 like 2016.

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[–] chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world 59 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 40 points 3 weeks ago

One would think stealing and potentially selling sensible documents or a failed coup or the countless sexual allegations are political suicides. But now a racist clown will get him?

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 59 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The Daily Beast is essentially Fox News for democrats, and I say this as a democrat. I wouldn’t take much of what they say seriously. Especially their sensationalist headlines.

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean if 'grab em by the pussy' didn't do it...

Dude commits political suicide for breakfast daily. His voters don't care.

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[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 51 points 3 weeks ago

Naïve article overall. Writers should know better than to prognosticate on what could actually hurt Trump's chances. But this is a fantastic line:

That was clear early on when Tony Hinchcliffe, a man invited by Trump to give one of the introductory speeches—who in true MAGA fashion alleged without providing a shred of evidence that he was a comedian

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 41 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

It was intentional. They are doing everything possible to bait Harris into a mistake and distract voters from Trump being too frail to campaign. Trump voters are already racist shitbags. The strategy here is to make Harris seem shrill and unreasonable.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, all attention is good attention. That has been the rule of the Trump campaign since day one.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I have seen so many articles about Donald Trump in the last week, and I'm not sure I have even seen one about Kamala Harris. Unfortunately, the media and the online public are both very easy to bait into giving Trump free publicity.

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago

Lol, mocking a disabled reporter, bragging about sexual assault, praising Hitler and trying to overturn an election wasn't political suicide, stop trying to predict last straws for his career, there is no bottom.

[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Donald Trump has committed like, a couple dozen political suicides and stood back up, which is fucking alarming.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This opinion piece was an operatic exercise in wishful thinking. Even as it admits that at least 47% of the population loves everything spewed in that rally, it still called it political suicide.

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[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

No it wasn't. It won't hurt his numbers at all.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It Was Also Political Suicide

DEAR GOD PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE!!!

[–] terry_jerry@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 weeks ago

Narrator - "it wasnt"

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you still think anything trump could do is political suicide, you are too naive to be writing about politics.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh come on "journalists", please stop with this "end of the Republican party" bullshit.

None of this will kill the white supremacist party because forty percent of America is still identifying as white supremacist and another ten percent literally can't tell the difference between someone quoting Hitler and someone Hitler was a genocidal asshole that shouldn't be looked up to and those morons vote in Pennsylvania.

The Republican party is perfectly fine after this yet another time example of Republicans being Nazi sympathizers holding a major public really where they proudly proclaim their White Nationalist opinions and agenda.

I think the only hope for getting rid of this bullshit strain of conservatism here and across the world is that they hold the same beliefs in the next global pandemic.

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a week before the election. Mark my words, he WILL shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose any voters.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 17 points 3 weeks ago

I caught the tail end of the story on NPR about how he apologized for one of the jokes and I just assumed it was one of the Nazi Rally jokes and was like "wow the nazi thing is finally getting some traction" but no it was the Puerto Rico thing.

I cannot express how ready I am for this shit to go away.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Saying that you could stand out in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody dead I did not affect your campaign should equally have been political suicide.

Political suicide is dead.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 16 points 3 weeks ago

Saying that whatever Trump does is political suicide misses the biggest issue with this election-

Nobody cares what either of them say because an awful lot of the electorate simply isn't listening.

The Trump voters would keep voting for Trump even if he joined the Nazi party. The rest of voters have either tuned out or are pushing Kamala simply because she's not Trump so she must be better.
An awful lot of people have just made up their minds and aren't listening for anything new.

So having a headline that Trump says something offensive is news to nobody. What would have been political suicide a decade or two ago is business as usual today. Whatever standards we once have politicians to, we no longer hold them to.

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

Trump literally can not be too racist for his followers. How has a headline editor for a daily newsletter not realized this?

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