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When given a choice between a millitary industrial neoliberal with a rainbow voting base and a fascist who is one elon musk golf session away from banning HRT, the best option is certainly not to refuse to play out of protest

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[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 105 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The best way I've seen anyone put it is that by the time the election arrives, you are exclusively in damage control mode. If you want actual change, you have to have it done by getting your personal choice voted in during the primaries.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And I'd add - get active the other 364 days of the year.

If we want better options we first need ranked choice voting and we need to get money out of politics. And none of that is going to happen if our only political action each year is voting.

[–] ProfessorPeregrine@reddthat.com 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Proud to say that in Colorado, ranked choice voting is on the ballot this year! It's even supported by the big political names here, including the governor.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Exactly! They're putting in the work there and getting some fantastic things done. Lots of other great stuff on that ballot too.

[–] bamfic@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

At local level. Organize school board, dog catcher, judges, city council, planing commission, library board, community college board, do what the right wing does

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago

do what the right wing does

Maybe with just a little less cross burning, lynching, and religious extremism.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

This is really key, though the state level is probably most important. If your voting activism doesn't go beyond the presidential election, it's performative at most. A third party candidate without members of their party is state houses and Congress is going to be fairly ineffective even if they somehow did do the impossible and get elected.

[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yes. And Biden was chosen, which includes Harris being next up if Biden couldn't perform the duties of president for any reason. If Democrats didn't want the status quo, they should have chosen someone other than Biden.

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[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly we just had an election where I live where the options were (not to this extreme at all) but pretty similar in the "not great" vs "fucking awful" choices. Of course we had an actual third party with good policies but they had no chance. The race was so close here that in some areas the difference in votes was in the hundreds for the top two choices. They're still doing recounts and I guess we'll see, but every single fucking vote has counted on this.

I honestly don't believe that not voting is ever going to work. If we want change we need an actual fucking revolution. Not voting, in American's case, would just allow for the literal militants to take over and then you really won't even have the choice to protest anything in the future.

[–] ProdigiousFrog@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

We need to focus on prefigurative politics, I.e, build the world we want to see with direct action, unionizing, and mutual aid, since voting and governments are never going to do it for us.

However, who is in charge of your country will make those prefigurative politics more or less hard, or even impossible (can't imagine much of the above going on in Nazi Germany...)

I think it goes without saying that it will be less hard under Harris.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the last thing Mitch McConnell sees before his ping hits 8000

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Ted Stevens.

"The internet... isn't a dump truck. It's a series of tubes."

[–] RAM@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

for those, like me, who can't remember where they've seen the original image before, it is the necrons from Warhammer 40k :)

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Necrons#Necrons_in_the_41st_Millennium

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[–] j0j0@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Obamna prisom

[–] SimplyTadpole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Pictured: Newly-unveiled biologically-engineered troops of the National Guard enforcing the new State Ideology of Obamunism in Mar-a-Lago (2009, colorized)

[–] moss@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago

this is my American Dream™

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

This is what’s in Alex Jones’ dreams

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 month ago

For those wondering about Obama's last name: Here is a mathematical proof

[–] 10_0@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Obama stone

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