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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

societal collapse

Ah yes, that thing that has us laboring to chase meaningless plastic crap we're brainwashed into needing instead of growing our own food and maintaining our own shelters as small, purposeful communities, all so the owners of this society can siphon our energy while poisoning the earth, all to live like wannabe gods above us.

No more penis Space tourist rockets? What a loss...

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[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 38 points 3 days ago (15 children)

You know what would be useful in a societal collapse? Electric vehicles and solar panels.

Hopefully peppers aren’t building zombie busses because they’ll be useless in 6 months after the oil stops flowing.

An ev with a charger panel and bicycles will be useful indefinitely.

[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 28 points 3 days ago (3 children)

When society collapses, upwards of around 95-100% of us die. That's reality.

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[–] NeuronautML@lemmy.ml 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Solar panels and batteries require massive supply chains. They require our rarest minerals and highest tech, with highly educated workers to develop and produce and state of the art clean rooms and factories.

If we stop producing them, the current stock will be useful for like 50 years tops. Then it's back to fossil fuels, I'm afraid. Diesel generators last for a long time, and they're easier to maintain and produce.

I remember i read a doomer theory stating we should be stockpiling coal for the humans that remain to rebuild society since there is nothing we can do at this point and fossil fuels is the only thing that will outlast the collapse. I'm not that pessimistic, but i can see what they mean.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The doomer theory variation I read is that we’ve played out most of the accessible fossil fuels. If society has to rebuild, they have no way to get past the stage of fossil fuel use, because advanced extraction like fracking would not be possible. The very things that made our society possible, are bridges were burning as soon as we cross them. There is no rebuilding

[–] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Lol, Diesel can on average only be stored for 6 to 12 months before degrading. Good luck with that.

If a collapse ever happens I'd rather have solar panels and an EV. Fuel production and transport would instantly grind to a halt and the existing fuel goes bad soon after.

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[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's old news, no? I recall reading that basically from 2°C there is no more economic growth, what means a lot of people are thrown under the bus. From 3°C there is no more economy, meaning no food, heating, fighting everywhere. From 4°C there is basically no more humanity.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 20 points 3 days ago (3 children)

That sounds pretty extreme. I'd be Interested in reading that article, if you can find it.

[–] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/

I'm looking at the Full Volume, and on page 71 you can see

With about 2°C warming, climate-related changes in food availability and diet quality are estimated to increase nutrition-related diseases and the number of undernourished people, affecting tens (under low vulnerability and low warming) to hundreds of millions of people (under high vulnerability and high warming) ... Climate change risks to cities, settlements and key infrastructure will rise sharply in the mid and long term with further global warming, especially in places already exposed to high temperatures, along coastlines, or with high vulnerabilities (high confidence).

At global warming of 3°C, additional risks in many sectors and regions reach high or very high levels, implying widespread systemic impacts, irreversible change and many additional adaptation limits (see Section 3.2) (high confidence). For example, very high extinction risk for endemic species in biodiversity hotspots is projected to increase at least tenfold if warming rises from 1.5°C to 3°C (medium confidence). Projected increases in direct flood damages are higher by 1.4 to 2 times at 2°C and 2.5 to 3.9 times at 3°C

Global warming of 4°C and above is projected to lead to far-reaching impacts on natural and human systems (high confidence). Beyond 4°C of warming, projected impacts on natural systems include local extinction of ~50% of tropical marine species (medium confidence) and biome shifts across 35% of global land area (medium confidence). At this level of warming, approximately 10% of the global land area is projected to face both increasing high and decreasing low extreme streamflow, affecting, without additional adaptation, over 2.1 billion people (medium confidence) and about 4 billion people are projected to experience water scarcity (medium confidence). At 4°C of warming, the global burned area is projected to increase by 50 to 70% and the fire frequency by ~30% compared to today

However, if you really want to get into it, you can read the Climate Change 2022: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability Full Report. It has a lot more details about the effects of climate change on all parts of the world, but it's also a 3,000 page pdf.

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[–] impshum@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Scientists. Experts. Covid. Elon.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Good, I'd rather it all burn than to be looked down upon by the Trumpler in the Ivory Tower

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