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Final (?) Debate thread before the election in 35 days.

Debate begins at 9 PM Eastern, 6 PM Pacific and runs 90 minutes.

Vice Presidential debates are always tricky since nobody has voted for Vice President in living memory.

Expect Vance to attack Walz on his military service.

Expect Walz to attack Vance on the whole "immigrants eating cats and dogs" thing.

Expect Vance to attack Walz on being an assistant coach, at best.

Expect Walz to roll out "Weird!" at least once.

CBS has announced the burden of fact checking will be on the candidates themselves.

https://apnews.com/article/cbs-debate-vice-president-fact-check-7a3b31c98ab092dd44915df57a359d10

How to watch here:

https://apnews.com/article/cbs-debate-vice-president-fact-check-7a3b31c98ab092dd44915df57a359d10

"How can you watch the VP debate on cable? 

CBS will air debate coverage starting at 8 p.m. ET on CBS broadcast stations and affiliates. Find your local station here.

How can you stream the VP debate without cable? 

The debate can be streamed on the free CBS News app on your connected TV or smartphone, on Paramount+, and all platforms where CBS News 24/7 is available, including CBSNews.com and YouTube. 

Debate coverage on CBS News 24/7 begins at 4 p.m. ET."

Edit Impressive how a debate can go when one participant doesn't have mental health issues! Thanks for coming everybody!

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 16 points 2 months ago

Damn I was a bit worried that we weren't going to get the decisive soundbite, but all anyone is going to talk about tomorrow is going to be the "did Donald Trump lose?" mic drop. Absolutely savage.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Mics got cut. Nice.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

walz is getting so annoyed at vance bald face laws. vance trying to distort walzs own law. man walz is doing a good job of restraining himself though.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

"I don't really want to talk about the 2020 election, so Google sucks and also Tulsi Gabbard and RFK, Jr. likes me."

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago

I’m a knucklehead at times.

Girl, same.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Our number one export cannot be topsoil" - Walz

That is a hell of a good line.

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[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Housing too expensive? DRILL BABY DRILL!!

[–] ResoluteCatnap@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Jd vance: the biggest threat to democracy is censorship

Fucking wild take

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[–] Geek_King@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How is it Kamala Harris's policies!? She's not the president! How much power does Vance think the Vice President wields!?

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Trump WAS president. He didn't fix anything.

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Morning after thoughts:

  • Walz is not actually a bad debater. He's not polished and practiced, but his command of policy and numbers means he still comes across as fairly confident. He knows what he knows, and that can stand in for polish.
  • Vance didn't do badly, but I genuinely can't remember any of his answers, and that's kind of weird. I think it's because he answered like he'd been raised by a generative AI instead of human parents. Seriously, can anyone actually remember anything he said, without looking it up?
  • Walz had more flubs. But he also got in a lot more hits. It remains to be seen which will stick in the minds of voters more, if either.
  • The lack of Trump on the stage made this one a lot more mature. It's amazing what a difference it makes when one of the debaters isn't a demented man-baby.

The way I see it, Walz's clearly superior command of policy details, and the way that fact-checkers are counting nearly everything Vance said as a lie, gives Walz the technical win, while Vance gets the nod for being more polished. In the end, I don't think this debate will matter much to the election.

Those with an interest in history might remember that back during the 1988 election, Lloyd Bentsen absolutely demolished Dan Quayle, George H.W. Bush's pick for VP, in a debate. But it was forgotten in a matter of days - if not hours - and Bush went on to win handily.

I think this debate will likely be forgotten soon, too.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"You say trust the experts, but experts are wrong sometimes and Trump thinks with his gut brain and also I have kids." -- Vance

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Electric bills are what he thinks Americans are worried about right now? Really?

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[–] Boozilla@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I feel like Walz's answer re: The ACA is his best response so far.

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Walz is knocking it out of the park on guns.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Kind of interesting that the "get under his skin" thing is kind being deployed against Walz a bit here. He's not Trump, so he's not flying off the handle, but he's losing his cool occasionally. I actually think that could work in his favor if he can channel it effectively. I think an angry Walz, within reason, could be really effective to counter robo-vance.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

FYI, parody accounts are firing up, don't get suckered:

Jack Kimble is a parody account.

https://x.com/JakeSherman/status/1841151195198435344

California doesn't have a 54th district:

https://www.jackkimble.com/home

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_congressional_districts

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[–] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Fuck that "I've become friends with school shooters" misspeak is gonna be clipped to hell isn't it

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

Fuck you, you don’t know difficult.

I don’t know how much more of Vance’s bullshit I can listen to. And especially his church bullshit. We’re not all young girls (my son is 27) wanting to be livestock in a church community. Some of us are atheists. But I guess I should just go die because I’m not useful anymore.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Take a shot every time Walz says something reasonable and Vance give the camera that “are you buying this shit” grin.

[–] 7112@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He's actually checking the timer above the moderators

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Does anyone think this "she's the vice president, so why didn't she implement these policies" thing convinces anyone?

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

Many women who want families or already have families are devastated by your draconian ‘care’.

How are you wrong? In every single way, Vance. Just like on nearly everything, you have no empathy and can only see black and white when the world is many shades of grey.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 13 points 2 months ago

ok im getting some chuckles now. vance. "pamela harris as the sitting vice president". well there is a phrase you never hear because the vice president as an advisory role and to continue the polocies if they take over so its not to disruptive. my lucifer he is an idiot (yes I already knew)

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Oh nice! Walz mentioned Wall Street speculators driving up housing prices. Then he literally quoted the Bible.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

"Were not going to fix this listening to experts, we need to listen to common sense." - Running mate of the old man yelling about immigrants eating pets.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 13 points 2 months ago

you want to help people to afford babies vance. how about funding education nationally with three meals provided each day. oh and maybe healthcare. that would help.

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Vance just appears like a slick televangelist. Smarmy.

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

I’m beginning to think he doesn’t even have a family… he brings them up at the weirdest times.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

LOL! "All Trump has said is that he wants to debate whether or not he won the 2020 election." Sure, JD. Sure.

[–] Geek_King@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Vance: Smoke and mirrors, we want to do better.... but we won't.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 12 points 2 months ago

vance keeps going with that bs that obamacare was not working till trump fixed it. it was doing great till they kicked out the leg. they do need ot not allow companies to own more than one leg of healthcare though (looking at you cvs)

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Did you know that JD Vance has "three beautiful kids?" Because he's told us three times. I'm wondering if he knows their names.

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[–] marketsnodsbury@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

“Where is the firewall?!?” Well put, Walz. Well put.

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[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Immigrants making almost nothing and sending everything they make (after taxes) back home and living with 10 people in a small apartment are the problem? Not Blackrock and corporate landlords buying everything on the market?

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[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

No kids here, but I have many nieces and nephews, and it makes me so depressed to think of a school run like a police state.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Vance: "We can't tell you what the concepts of the healthcare plan are because it's boring."

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[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 11 points 2 months ago

vance is hilarious suggesting you get rid of the workers by deporting them. Obama showed you have to go after the employers which actually works.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Phew. This debate does not have enough pee breaks.

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