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Firefox has a lot of issues, but maybe we don't have any other option. (www.bleepingcomputer.com)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/20260243

Google Chrome warns uBlock Origin may soon be disabled

Google Chrome is now encouraging uBlock Origin users who have updated to the latest version to switch to other ad blockers before Manifest v2 extensions are disabled.

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[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Firefox has a lot of issues

I dunno... I mean, what are your expectations?

Ultimately I have actual problems in my life, my browser choice is an absolutely marginal decision I make when the actual goal is to visit a website that in itself is usually just a tiny component of something else - say ordering something, checking on a piece of information, etc etc.

It's kinda weird to even think so much about browsers - excluding when you are actively developing for/with them - that you recognize issues beyond a single big one like "Has no support for an adblocker". I can get behind that being big enough to matter in regards to which browser is usable or not.

But again, if you develop for Firefox or an addon for it, I can see why details matter and you'd probably have a long laundry list of issues, sure.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So what you're saying is, you're not the target audience for the article.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Sure, but the article author is quite likely not the target audience for Firefox.

[–] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago

Firefox's desktop market share is the lowest it has ever been, and its mobile share is zero-point-smithereens. not to be a party pooper but google and chromium's monopolistic hold is only growing stronger.

[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't see any issues with Firefox?

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Yeah same.

People on here love to go all doomposting on every little thing though, so for them stuff that they'll never actively interact with is automatically horrible. But them, I bet those very people are the ones that do "proper privacy stuff" like blindly turning on hardening settings, and then in turn also complain that Firefox "keeps making FF use more memory and be slower and not load pages properly" when they have changed so many settings that they'd in turn make a compelling case for why most companies don't allow so much fiddling with settings: It just leads to endless complaints.

[–] funkyfarmington@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Librewolf works just fine, out of the box.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think people come down a lot harder on Firefox than they should. It's a great browser, and they do a lot for the freedom of the community and as an open source ambassador.

I feel like people generally feel that, given their prominence, they could do a lot more. This is certainly true. Their weird corporate structure, their half-baked experiments like Pocket or VPN, their Google ad money, these are all valid issues.

But do you know what else is supported by Google ad money? Chromium and every browser built on it. Do you know what has a far more corporate culture? Chrome, Edge, Safari, etc. Do you know who else had weird little money making experiments? Every other browser (Brave's Basic Attention Tokens, DDG's Privacy Pro, etc.).

Firefox makes a bigger target because of their relative popularity and long history.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I want there to be a competitive market so that Firefox gets better. Without good competition it will continue to rot.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand the premise of this statement. Do you think Firefox doesn't have competition in the browser space?

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It only has Chromium which somehow is worse than Firefox. We need something that supports all the same features as Firefox but isn't a fork

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are you talking about the rendering engine? Safari still uses WebKit. Everything else was killed off by chrome. No one wanted to make addons for Internet Explorer, so they switched to Chromium as well.

It would be extremely difficult to put something new into the market at this point. If even Microsoft lacked the resources, it's hard to imagine anyone succeeding IMO.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago

We will watch Ladybug with great interest

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Honestly it's more that Lemmy as a whole is just a big group of curmudgeons. Most discussions on here veer strongly negative, not limited to Firefox.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

That was after the reddit migration. Lemmy was much better before the reddit doom-and-gloom gang made themselves home.

[–] kbal@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's a good opportunity for any Chrome users in the crowd to switch to Librewolf. It may be a small project but it's been around for a while and they haven't made any mistakes that I've heard about. Google has its various off-brand browsers using the engine, why shouldn't Mozilla get some? It comes with uBlock Origin preinstalled, and has none of the telemetry and ads of Firefox.

[–] land@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Have they implemented the update option yet, or does it still rely on unofficial methods for updating?

[–] kbal@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They provide official deb and rpm builds for linux, which get updated in the usual ways. I don't know about windows but the website says:

you can choose to install the LibreWolf WinUpdater, which is included in the installer.

[–] dditty@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

The LibreWolf WinUpdater works great. You get a small pop-up when there's an update and it updates super quickly (in my experience in like 15 seconds).