Didn't the USSR just do state capitalism, and not actual communism or socialism? And weren't they also totalitarian & also not a democracy? Are people actually asking for what was happening in astern Europe or something else?
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In Germany the left leaning parties want that shit. It sucks. They side with Russia atm as well and a lot of them just have this odd nostalgia for the time
not to defend them, but capitalism is not doing very good recently, so that might give them points
Yes, I know. I'm not a fan of that myself.
But the idea that current day Russia has it better is insane. The Propaganda has survived through 30 years of non existence
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Yup. Also shot the anarchists, that worked with them and wanted democracy, in the back of the head during a meeting, The USSR then also did imperialism in their neighboring countries, deported a ton of people from those countries to death camps in siberia and allied with the nazies dividing Europe in their treaty
As a someone whose country belonged to the western bloc, I can relate xD
Educated people in general have to say on politics the same things that I said earlier, but they are very nostalgic over less criminalized popular culture, better technical education and rules being followed. So am I to some extent actually.
In Moscow? You're not being fair. Educated people in the soviet union from Moscow lived extremely well and have very positive views. Engineers, scientists, etc will all say positive things. You know as well as I do that hundreds of video interviews will confirm this. Be fairer, claiming that everyone that supports the ussr among the over 60s is just uneducated is definitely untrue. This particular video series is in Moscow and this lady is exactly what I am talking about.
You can't live in Moscow and say this is untrue. You're being unfair.
No recollection at all, I’m 1996, but since transition from USSR to modern Russia didn’t happen in an instance, in various institutions and organizations you can still see in some ways how it was. More in my childhood than now, but still.
Brought up in shock therapy then.
if you weren’t in denial.
I'm not in denial. I'm asking you to be fairer. The data does not support your position. You know as well as I do that 75% of the country consider the soviet era to be when the country was at its greatest (and that this is easily verifiable from many sources), and you know damn well that 75% of the country aren't all uneducated people. You are not being fair.
I wish we could look at what the ussr did right and how it worked around its restrictions without rose tinted glasses. Some central planning of efficient railways and large industrial machinery might not be a bad idea. Lezz a fair doesn't always produce great results. Walkable neighborhoods and commie blocks aren't such a bad idea but fascist dictators are.
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I am from Eastern Europe and I share this sentiment when I see anyone from the West defending communism. The issue is complicated but, to put it bluntly:
No, Timothy, communism didn't fail in Eastern Europe because it was implemented wrongly. This is a very complicated topic but the tldr summary is "It is a broken idea, it did not work and it will never work. The natural and logical outcome of any attempt at Marxism is a bloodbath followed by autocracy."
That being said, communism isn't the only way to achieve a more equitable society. You have social democracy (in Lennin's words - communism's greatest adversary); organized labour movements; collectivist anarchism; communitariasm, etc.
Communism, as applied in the 20th century, violently fought against or oppressed all of these movements and is incompatible with any of them.
Not to mention that in most countries nowadays orthodox communists have been hugely discredited for excusing the Russian war of annihilation against the Ukrainian people.
In conclusion, if you live in the USA or Western Europe and you are unhappy with how corporate greed has ruined society, don't look to communism for answers. There are many other proposed solutions out there - go and research these. Communism is very well known, which makes it easily accessible to people who want change - but it is never, ever the solution.
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Stop at socialism. You never go full daddy-state.
Corporatism is basically the same thing except we let private organisations who's only interest in profit be "daddy"
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The vague idea of getting the same as everyone else, while not having to actually make the effort, appeals to sheltered and unappreciative western kids who feel oppressed because they have to put down thier entertainment device and do thier maths homework.
Borderline champagne socialists
So I am a middle aged man, living with my family in a 140 sqm house with a garden, built in 2019 in one of the richest countried of the world. We go on vacation 2 times a year, eat good, do a lot of freetime activities like amusement parks, eating out, etc. Both my wife and me work on well payed proffessions and are at least in the top quarter of people in our country regarding wealth. And I know for a fact that many people earn less for far more work, because I used to be one of them. Only in my country, one of the richest in the world. I was fortunate, because I was gifted with a pretty good brain and other things that are absolutly not my doing, but there are a lot of people in low paying and minimum wage jobs that work a lot harder than me.
TL;DR: Capitalism is no meritocracy. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. It's a fucked up system and we need something more fair.
Oh man, Lemmygrad will not like this one bit.
Meanwhile, Eastern Europeans:
shit meme
Thats exactly what i feel when i hear anything good about communism, it killed so many people in Ukraine... NEVER AGAIN!
It's funny because if you look at living standards in eastern Europe during communism's peak they were wayyy better than they are now
I mean there is, but all of the major nations fall somewhere in the middle of the capitalism / socialism spectrum.
China, a communist nation, has private businesses. The US, a capitalist nation, has public infrastructure and social safety nets.
It’s a gradient, and very few nations are 100% on the edge of the spectrum.
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