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Young male voters are flocking to Trump – but he doesn’t have their interests at heart (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 2 months ago by piefedderatedd@piefed.social to c/politics@lemmy.world

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Trump isn’t an icon of positive masculinity. He also did very little for young men during his four years as president

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[–] DancingBear@midwest.social -3 points 2 months ago (14 children)

Feminism has done a great job of bringing woman and girl issues of importance into the public dialogue.

Men and boys have definitely been left in the dust.

Until we have a movement that represents men’s issues similar to feminism, this trend of men falling off the deep end will continue.

It can be argued that feminism is part of the problem, and has exacerbated many of the problems facing young men today. This is the entrance to the rabbit hole, and again, until we have a movement that represents men and boys similar to a feminism that just means equality and or equity, this trend will continue.

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Feminism does represent men's issues, more than any other movement I would argue, and definitely more than any MRA ever has, it just doesn't centre men's issues, which is what you are used to, so you reject it because, for a change, something is entirely cantered around you.

You don't care about equity and equality (which is what feminism is for), you care about maintaining your privilege which entitles you to everything in society being first and foremost aimed at and cantered around you. It's the small token the patriarchy rewards you with to ensure you never join the fight against it as it fucks you up with shit like toxic masculinity and blames it all on feminism, and it's obviously working.

[+] Jagothaciv@kbin.earth -7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Lmfao, tell me you know nothing about feminism without saying you know nothing about feminism

[–] flerp@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anytime someone says "tell me you know nothing about X without saying you know nothing about X" instead of in any way refuting the comment they're replying to, it only shows that they're the one who actually doesn't know anything about it.

You know people read what you write right? Like people other than who you're talking to? If you can refute them, then refute them, otherwise you're just making your side look bad and you're not making anything better except maybe you feel better patting yourself on the back with your pithy and original comment.

[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Anytime someone says “tell me you know nothing about X without saying you know nothing about X” instead of in any way refuting the comment they’re replying to, it only shows that they’re the one who actually doesn’t know anything about it.

No, it's actually telling the person I'm replying to that their wilful ignorance is glaringly obvious, and that I have no interest in biting their poorly prepared bait. If they've very openly made zero effort, why the fuck should I make any?

You know people read what you write right? Like people other than who you’re talking to? If you can refute them, then refute them,

Why the fuck should I invest any of my time and emotional labour seriously replying to someone who clearly gets all their information exclusively from sources that confirm their bias, and have no interest in learning, but only asserting their confidently incorrect opinion, and having it confirmed back to them?

I actually wasted years doing exactly that, because I too believed the patriarchal lie that told me it was my job, and you know what?

THEY AREN'T LISTENING AND DON'T CARE

You want to refute them? Be my fucking guest, but don't fucking demand it of others. I've learned from my mistakes and have better things to do with my life than waste it coddling misogynists, and it certainly isn't my responsibility to hold their hand and walk them in to acting in their own best interests, when they'd rather be oppressive in return for the pittance the patriarchy gives them.

otherwise you’re just making your side look bad and you’re not making anything better except maybe you feel better patting yourself on the back with your pithy and original comment.

Lmmfao, says the person who inserted themselves in to a conversation for the sole purpose of demanding others do their work for them, while contributing absolutely nothing.

You're just as big a part of the problem as the asshat I replied to, trying to shift the blame for misogynists on to feminists "not being nice enough" to them, but hey, you're in good company, the biggest misogynists will always find a way to blame feminism for their actions and behaviour and avoid taking any accountability or responsibility for themselves.