As a man I have to agree, we're fucking spoiled, but in the worst way possible. It's not just that we allow men to be pigs and monsters, society expects it of us as kids, and if we don't behave like it, we get called weird and gay and pushed aside as freaks. In my childhood it was very much be shit or be treated like shit. It really fucked my confidence and effectively ruined 90% of interactions with women, as I became to scared to even look one in the eyes, not wanting to be seen as a threat again for breathing the same air. As many men, it's a miracle I found someone (or rather I was lucky enough to have a good friend that would introduce me) and thank fucking god, because I was slowly turning into an incel... Now I actually get to be a functional member of society and make someone happy.

It always triggers me a bit when I complain about me not having showered/shaved/groomed my self yet and a women tells me "you don't have to, you're a man". I understand your daily struggle and injustice as a women and that you have it much worse, but what am I to do? Cut off my dick? Shrivel up and die? Maybe then I can become a vile enough rotting lump of shit to be a "REAL MAN".

Huh, so in essence boys and girls are raised to the same outcome.

"... in a way that makes them ~~desirable as~~ actual adults."

FTFY.

I am not interested in being desirable to women. Many women need to get over that some men don't consider hanging out with women their obstacle in life.

Sucks that your type has this character.

what good ever comes from being desirable to women?

As a cis male, I find this post to be so true. And you're never done trying to unfold this socialization.

This is such a delicate subject. How do you talk about a societal broad issue without hurting individuals? With posts like these, there will always be people who feel aren't the real subject of it that feel the weight of it, and it's not a healthy way to approach things like this. There is a societal level problem with men's treatment of women, but men likely to see this post likely aren't part of that problem and want to improve things, and posts like this only kind of serve to to put people down. However, it's not like this post shouldn't have been posted, it's a serious topic that should be taken seriously and not ignored.