Zionists desire war. We are enabling them. We need to stop doing that.
this post was submitted on 25 Aug 2024
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Didn't know hezbolla was Jewish with the wish to keep Israel existing... ๐คก
It is self defense, hezbolla literally shot thousands of rockets into Israel.
So to be clear, you are saying Israel has done nothing improper over the last 2 years in its actions towards Palestinians?
Besides being pretty reckless in this war right now? Or do you mean the "settlers" thing? Cause there isn't more that is proven.
hamas didn't just come into existence 2 years ago btw.
"pretty reckless" is something you might say about driving while intoxicated, not sure how it applies to a large scale, protracted military operations.
What "settlers" thing are you referring to?
Hamas was formed in 1987, are you suggesting Israel has done nothing improper since then?
Does one crime justify another? No. I don't doubt Israel did things wrong, but quantifiably less than the terrorists and also for a waaay better reason, they don't kill people for their ethnicity or religion, there are loads of Moslems living completely fine in Israel, there is however not a single Christian or Jew (or any other religion) in the regions controlled by those terrorists, that's because they kill them.
So one doesn't justify another, but then you try and justify it by saying it's quantifiably fewer wrongs... What on earth are you quantifying? Lives lost. Freedoms lost. Land lost. Quality of life lost?
You are deluded if you honestly believe the current Israeli leadership and that of the IDF has no ill will towards Palestinians or Muslims.
I'm more than confident the world knows what Hamas is. But Bibi's government has innocent blood on its hands and they aren't being held to the same derision. There are Israelis murdering Palestinians for land and they aren't being brought to any justice.
I don't believe that you don't hate Muslims or Palestinians. You sound like a white American saying "I'm not racist but..."
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This fake narrative that everything Israel does is self-defese is getting old. You can't claim self-defese if you make the first strike. Imagine trying to explain to the cops that you killed the intruder 500 km from your home in self-defense... That's basically your idiotic argument.
It described the barrage as a response to the assassination of senior military commander Fuad Shukr, who was killed in an Israeli strike in Beirut on 30 July.
Assassination doesn't sound very self-defensive...
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv2gj544x65o
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c29dydz84ngo
Its absolutely justified to kill the head of a terrorist organization, it causes chaos and gives the bottom line (many child soldiers especially in case of hezbolla, https://www.dw.com/en/child-soldiers-used-in-yemen-civil-war-report-says/a-49606125) a chance to flee and live their lifes, hezbolla has been firing rockets into Israel for years and after 7. Oktober it where thousands within a few days. Your narrative is quite literally what their propaganda is, that is however absolutely not the truth.
And no, to pick up your analogy, its like killing a organized crime boss that commands his gang of kids to drive-by on your house from time to time because you have another religion/ethnicity.
Its absolutely justified to kill the head of a terrorist organization
Nowhere did I said it's not morally justified. I said it's not self-defense. And it's not.
And you seem to be keen to pretend that Hezbollah is the only party here firing the rockets. Israel fired rockets into Lebanon for years too and murdered a lot of civilians. Killing fighters be it IDF, Hamas or Hezbollah is one thing, killing civilians is another. If you can somehow justify to yourself killing children, you are a monster.
- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/14/mother-two-children-among-lebanese-killed-by-israel-in-air-raids
- https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/four-lebanese-civilians-killed-israeli-strike-border-village-2024-05-05/
- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/5/woman-three-children-killed-by-israeli-air-strike-in-southern-lebanon
- https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-airstrike-hospital-c53023a63867830231427ae6d04885d4
- Im not going to open the aljazeera links, they are very much known for being the propaganda pipe for hamas and the other Irani backed terrorists.
You should inform yourself about them, here is one article for you, there are many more. https://www.biznews.com/rational-perspective/2024/04/01/debunking-al-jazeeras-coverage-woode-smith
The reuters link:
The four were killed in Meiss al Jabal, which has suffered extensive damage in regular exchanges of fire between Israel and the Iranian-backed Hezbollah group since the start of the war in Gaza last October. In a statement, Hezbollah said it fired "tens" of Katyusha rockets at the Israeli town of Kiryat Shmona, a northern town close to the Lebanese border, in retaliation.
~~Literally counter batty fire.~~ sorry i missread the article, the article stated no reason, but according to other sources hezbolla has been operating from that area and them just firing Katyusha rockets in return (they are unguided and definitely aimed at civilians, like always) speaks for itself as well. Civilian casualtys are shit, but they do happen in war. Are we criticising Ukraine for having caused civilian casualtys? I don't think so and it would be absolutely asshole behavior because both countries defend themselves and their citizens from genocidal maniacs.
The apnews is about a strike that killed 2 people driving a motorcycle, there is no reason given, but apparently it was a security guard apparently, idk about the reasoning.
So... Do you even read your linked articles?
In the exchanges of fire (started on 7th. October)
Israeli strikes have killed more than 400 people in Lebanon since the war in Gaza began, most of them militants with Hezbollah and allied groups but also including more than 70 civilians and non-combatants. On the Israeli side, strikes from Lebanon have killed 15 soldiers and 10 civilians.
Whats your point? Israel killes the people shooting rockets into Cities being bad? Shure there is collateral damage, but its a war, you cannot always pinpoint every strike and make shure that there is no civilian. Especially not in a asymmetrical war.
Oh and again, the "children" argument. Yeah no shit people die in war and as i stated earlier, hezbolla uses child soldiers just like hamas. What is your point?
Their coverage is biased, but it's factual. And the fact that you dismiss it just shows your own ignorance.
- https://spinscore.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2F11%2F5%2Fwoman-three-children-killed-by-israeli-air-strike-in-southern-lebanon
- https://spinscore.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Fnews%2F2024%2F2%2F14%2Fmother-two-children-among-lebanese-killed-by-israel-in-air-raids
Your garbage article is probably the worst piece of writing I read this year.
Oh and again, the "children" argument. Yeah no shit people die in war and as i stated earlier, hezbolla uses child soldiers just like hamas. What is your point?
So using children as soldiers is bad, but killing children is good. Yeah, there is nothing more to talk about with someone like you.
Category Grade Bias F (54%) Fallacy B- (81%) Misleading Info B (86%)
Very reliable source.
But as said, i didnt say there are no civilian casualtys, i literally quoted the official numbers, but those numbers are completely normal for a asymmetrical war.
And yes! Killing children is great/s where the fuck did you read that? That's the opposite of what i said.
The fact check link for my source isn't working correctly, the grade says F in everything but all the fact checks are true or mostly true, so tat is actually just a discredit for your fact check site... (errors can happen, the site is probably fine)
So did Hamas
Yes and thats why Israel does good removing them.
...after one of their commanders got assassinated by Israel
Rightfully so.
Also, nope, they attacked together with hamas on the 7th.