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    Finding out that t2linux is too broken was like finding out that Santa isn't real

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    [–] superkret@feddit.org 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Wait, you didn't even install Linux?
    This isn't c/wallpapermemes, you know!

    [–] VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
    • Download Ubuntu.iso
    • Right click and choose: Set as desktop background
    • Profit!

    Edit: It's the Mac way of thinking, drag the iso to the computer icon and it installs the OS.

    [–] dullbananas@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I tried it but I can't tolerate it crashing every time I close and reopen the laptop

    Trust me, we* are trying, but T2's quite annoying and it's borderline impossible to get logs about why it's crashing when it comes up from sleep/suspend. (*: t2linux, which I'm part of.)

    [–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

    when I rfied t2 endavour it didn't even boot. such a shame really

    It should work unless you're using Ventoy. It still does use normal archiso tooling for building ISO.

    [–] smb@lemmy.ml -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

    well there is plenty of what is possible to try. but unless one had looked at the real cause i'ld suspect one of apples hardware backdoors to cause the crashes like if the backdoor doesn't work, crash the kernel, so we never loose control over the sheeapple thing. or more realistic if you want:

    First maybe just crappy hardware:

    There is a reason why i suspect apple's hardware, cause my shitty macbook at work should(!) go to something like hibernate, sleep, or its spyveillance-only mode when closing the lid, and it should also lock the screen when doing so, the actual results seem pure randomly choosen, sometimes the sleep mode survives the weekend with lots of accu left, sometimes its completely depleted and i even have to charge it for a while before it has enough power to show the charging logo. for security reasons i have to manually lock my screen, verify it and then close the lid, which is pure annoy. this could just be buggy hardware, a sensor so broken that reading its inputs directly could crash any OS that assumes i.e. no division by zero, pointers to nonexisting ram or whatever, and maybe apple just knows what faulty measurements mean what (but cannot make that stable too, only no crash occurs)

    secondly with a hardware backdoor:

    https://www.kaspersky.com/about/press-releases/2023_kaspersky-discloses-iphone-hardware-feature-vital-in-operation-triangulation-case

    "The discovered vulnerability is a hardware feature, possibly based on the principle of β€œsecurity through obscurity,” and may have been intended for testing or debugging. Following the initial 0-click iMessage attack and subsequent privilege escalation, the attackers leveraged this hardware feature to bypass hardware-based security protections and manipulate the contents of protected memory regions."

    which is that (some/all?) iphones have at least one memory page where one only has to accidently or intentionally write something into it, that could trigger the backdoor feature to let you choose which memory address to overwrite with what bytes, bypassing every(!) security mechanism in hardware AND of course those made of software too. that is how i understood documentation and presentations about it. now apple said they "fixed" it in software, from what i remember that fix was just a "os preventing apps from writing to that memory backdoor page" thus not a fix but only a mitigation, while "fix" is more a lie than only misleading words to just pretend it wasn't permanent and unfixable. let us assume that linux does not include hardware backdoor mitigations for apple devices AND that apple placed the very same backdoor memory page into macbooks as well but maybe at (an)other physical address(es). now the code that runs on closing the lid "might" just reside at or write to the very same memory page on every boot for a given exact same kernel, which might be a memory page that acts the same or similar like that iphone hardware backdoor, overwriting some other memory page depending on what is actually written to the backdoor page which immediately crashes the kernel. if that's whats happening there, t2linux is not broken, but macbooks are just insecure costly (loss of money, time, security, trust, work performance, patents, stability, a.s.o. ...) waste.

    how to find out? (maybe)

    • get the kernel code.
    • deactivate every driver not needed to boot and run the lidclose stuff like i.e. the sensor, compile the kernel anew and try booting from it.

    changin the kernel a lot by removing everything(!) not needed should in theory/hopefully also change the pages that would be affected when closing the lid. same effect: likely no backdoor. no effect: maybe something you deactivated, maybe yet another backdoor discovery.

    it might also be solveable by sth like acpi settings or such, probably switchable from kernel boot cmdline , maybe change settings for hibernate / suspend to ram (does apple hardware even support such? i mean without the buggy behaviour i experience?)l

    We at t2linux do know that the basic cause of crash, it's more of our module's fault now. The crash does not happen if you unload our hardware support module before sleep (and you can reload the module after waking it up), so people have been using this workaround and have some success out of this.

    [–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    TIL installing Linux on a MacBook downgrades it to a MacBoo.

    [–] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Severely lacking vitamin k

    [–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Maybe it's just camera angle but that's the ugliest modern laptop I've ever seen

    [–] accideath@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

    Itβ€˜s the camera angle. The ratio of keyboard to trackpad is a lot more pleasing if you don’t take the pic with a wide angle lens. You can see a top down shot of the keyboard area here.

    [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

    A MacBoo is what your Apple laptop turns into when it dies

    [–] SilentObserver@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)
    [–] themusicman@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

    This is too good

    [–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

    When it does ded

    [–] art@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

    MacBoo sounds so cute.

    [–] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 months ago

    My 2009 runs MX-KDE just fine.

    [–] Zoot@reddthat.com 1 points 8 months ago

    I love Linux Gnu! Such a great operating system

    [–] smb@lemmy.ml -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    i would not trust hardware from a vendor that puts hardwired backdoors into physical memory... you'ld undermine any security the OS could give you.

    [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Unless you're using ancient hardware, you already have an internet connected back door in your CPU.

    [–] SilentObserver@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    pulls out abacus

    β€œNot today fedboys! Now, how do I listen to Taylor’s latest single on this?”

    [–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

    Use it as a harp?

    If it doesn't work check for viruses, defragment your balls, and satanise your beads. Maybe you just need to download more orbs?

    [–] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Pulls out thinkpad with coreboot Not today assholes

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

    Corebooted Thinkpads are pretty ancient.

    But 3mdeb, Novacustom, Starlabs, System76... well and Chromebooks exist.

    Also no idea about the new ARM laptops.

    [–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    2012 isn't that bad, it even has usb3!

    [–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

    Yeah really. I have a T430, tried an i7 upgrade but it ate too much battery and was crazy hot (3632QM, the "normal" model!).

    The dual core CPU still works kinda well. The keyboard is awesome but loud. The screen is terrible. I have some phone speakers I plan to use for swapping the laptop ones which are crap too.

    My T495 had an even better keyboard but proprietary, outdated (kind of, got a Spectre patch).

    The clevo honestly has crappy external hardware except the excellent screen. Camera sucks, touchpad sucks, keyboard tolerable. Very strong i7 cpu and good peripherls (well, no displayport, a nogo for FOSS computers I think)

    [–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

    The screen on the t430 is indeed horrible but I had a very modern laptop before this which was pretty high spec, and it had a even worse screen than this somehow (it was some horrendous IPS display, I don't even understand how you mess it up that bad). Compared to that pile of garbage this is much better. The only problem is that you can't replace the display on the t430 as easily as a modern (non-touchscreen) laptop because it uses the LVDS interface instead of the modern eDP interface.