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Temperatures above 50C used to be a rarity confined to two or three global hotspots, but the World Meteorological Organization noted that at least 10 countries have reported this level of searing heat in the past year: the US, Mexico, Morocco, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Pakistan, India and China.

In Iran, the heat index – a measure that also includes humidity – has come perilously close to 60C, far above the level considered safe for humans.

Heatwaves are now commonplace elsewhere, killing the most vulnerable, worsening inequality and threatening the wellbeing of future generations. Unicef calculates a quarter of the world’s children are already exposed to frequent heatwaves, and this will rise to almost 100% by mid-century.

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[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Capitalism is a death cult.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Living and dying are the same process. You can't be born without dying. You could say biology condemns us all - very loosely - to a cult of death, as we must all participate.

Capitalism is worse than that. Capitalism is an ideology of exploitation. I'm fine with dying, it's my fault for being born. I don't see why I must submit to exploitation while I do, temporarily, exist.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 months ago (16 children)

it’s my fault for being born.

is it? I don't recall ever asking to be born, i'm pretty sure that just kind of happened.

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[–] lath@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's because you're a sinner and exploiting sinners isn't to be punished, but praised. Exploit your fellow sinners, make them toil in suffering and you too shall redeem salvation in the form of stock options and tax evasion.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago

That's the spirit! We must sacrifice the newborns to harvest better stock options.

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (4 children)

If the world was warming even faster than scientists thought it would, seemingly jumping years ahead of predictions, would that mean even more crucial decades of action had been lost?

Yes. Yes it would.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

Rivers in Alaska have been running bronzish-orange... because the permafrost is melting.

The 'perma' frost, is melting.

That has huge amounts of methane locked up in at.

Which is 8 to 80x more effective at being a greenhouse gas than CO2.

And also ancient bacteria that could cause previously unknown kinds of diseases in wildlife and possibly humans, they now may or may not be seeping into the environment.

...

We have already had a consecutive 12 months at or above 1.5C global average temps, as of last month.

...

Shit's looking pretty bleak.

[–] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Glaciers are reaching tipping points as well. Insane heat waves at both poles. It's over guys. Most poeple don't realize it yet but it's over. Those glaciers and poles took an entire iceage to form, and they are not going to come back.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I haven't seen anything from climate scientists that agrees with that level of doomerisim. They want to keep fighting against every 0.1C of warming we can, because that's a worthwhile fight. Succumbing to climate nihilism is unhelpful, unscientific, and a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (5 children)

climate scientists baffled by unexpected pace of heating

Could it be ... fossil fuel producers lying about their output of greenhouse gases? Nah.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Aren't climate scientists also measuring atmospheric composition levels around the world to track this, usivg satellites and whatnot? I.e., do they really rely that much on self reported data?

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

You don’t have to lie if you don’t measure …… for example, methane leaks from natural gas drilling, refining and distribution

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 months ago

"Are you telling me that our valued wealth creators are capable of... lying???"

[–] primrosepathspeedrun@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

oh it's much worse than that. not that it isn't also that and them doing that isn't the reason we didn't get started mitigating this shit seventy years ago when we wouldn't have needed substantial sacrifices.

see, climate scientists are scientists. that means they can only announce what they KNOW, what they can be very confident in, what IS in the data.

the thing about climate change is; it's full of unknowns, most of them bad. so they can't say "we have had this many unknown unknowns pop up and fuck our shit up, and expect (range of numbers) more", because that's predictive, and it's useful, but its not SCIENCE, because science is inherently a very conservative bedrock-of-knowledge try-not-to-give-permission-to-fuck-up paradigm of knowledge. that's not a flaw generally, it's why we can trust it and why it's hard to compromise, but generals and combat sports athletes do not choose their actions scientifically-it's too fucking slow, and they would all fucking die/get punched in the face and lose literally every single time.

so while they have calculated the known dangers of the path we're tumbling down, they can't really include the assumption that there was a military base here during a civil war 20 years ago, and both sides in that conflict really liked land mines. they can only point to specific mine fields they know about, even if that's way less than any other site that was involved in that conflict.

so however bad a climate scientist says it's going to be, dude, holy shit, it's going to be so much fucking worse. however much time they say we have, we have less than that. how much worse? how much less? no fucking clue.

no way to know unless we sit on our asses and let it happen, at which point everyone dies.

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Impossible. Michael Crichton and the experts in Superfreakonomics assured us that scientists would be able to quickly implement geoengineering projects to reduce CO2 and cool the earth. /s

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 months ago

Technology is great! Let's incite hatred through social media.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (80 children)

The reason nothing will be done is because the only realistic option we have to save our planets ability to sustain life is economic degrowth.

We don't have enough of the minerals we need to go fully nuclear or renewable and even getting close would use up vast amounts of the very same energy were looking to save in the first place.

As the record levels of equality directly after ww2 showed, economic degrowth due to nearly all the men being at war, only results in the loss of the super rich which is why they'll never allow economic degrowth.

We all work too much, produce too much and pollute too much. Worse, we're all forced to produce the very wealth thats used to force us into wage-slavery and kill our planet.

The answer is and will always be the strategic refusal of labour, above what we need to survive and have a good quality of life. This, by default, will result in economic degrowth.

Want to sit around and do nothing to save the planet? Well, now you can.

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[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 months ago (49 children)

Global warming is a test. We're failing the test, so the warming is going to start accelerating until we learn our lesson

[–] bashbeerbash@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I believe a mix of runaway elitism + ecological devastation is the Great Filter. We're at our great filter and definitely will not overcome considering the galactic evidence.

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[–] D1G17AL@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Its cause none of these systems are static or by themselves in a vacuum. There are feedback loops in all parts of our environment. Its not a coincidence that the temperature started to accelerate after the recent series of MAJOR volcanic eruptions in the many parts of the worlds oceans. Throw in the absolute monstrosity that is human industry and well the feedback there is more heat from industry combined with greenhouse gases means the the heat in those areas rises. What does heat do? It rises and moves outwards until it reaches equilibrium. Where is it cold? The arctic and antarctic. What's happening in those places recently? Oh yeah huge spikes in temperature that are causing shifts by over 40-50 degrees Fahrenheit or about 8-10 degrees celsius. Sure it's technically still freezing over the arctic and antarctic for portions of the year. However the arctic has, for the last several years during summer, been almost entirely ice free. The North fucking Pole is ice free during the summer time. That's fucking insane. Everything feeds into everything else with our environment and climate.

Until more people in power actually understand these facts, we are all going to suffer needlessly.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 months ago

“It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it." -Upton Sinclair

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[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 months ago (9 children)

There are also some comments about aircon not being a good answer if solely relied on, including:

One of the key effects of heatwaves, which send demand for electricity soaring and cause extreme storms that stress electrical grids, is to cause blackouts. Blackouts mean no more air-con. A recent study suggested a blackout lasting just two days could hospitalise more than half of Phoenix residents and kill 12,000, mostly in their own homes. This is why the author Jeff Goodell warns of a “heat Katrina”: you thought the hurricane in New Orleans was bad?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

Further, what happens when everyone knows the power isn't coming back and instead the roads out of Phoenix all get backed up and people die in the heat of their cars trying to escape the heat of Phoenix. Because heat can kill a lot of vehicles, and a lot of people have ill-maintained vehicles, meaning roads being completely blocked from escape can happen fast.

I really think Phoenix will become the first mass casualty event from climate change in the USA.

EDIT: Obligatory Peggy Hill. Peggy gets it.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's one of those nightmare thoughts - when the power goes out, what do people usually do for a while? Wait for it to come back on. Someone is coming to fix it, right? Much of modern society is built upon such assumptions, and it mostly works. So I think you're right for some, but many would perish at home, trying to outlast the day (and what if the night doesn't cool?)

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[–] icosahedron@ttrpg.network 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

wow have we procrastinated real climate action long enough yet?

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[–] BattleGrown@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Late or not, we have to do all we can to stop runaway warming and ecological collapse. We know corporations and populations won't do anything voluntarily. That is why legislation is the only way. EU is taking the lead on this. I'm hoping world countries will follow.

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[–] sudo_shinespark@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

times like these, I feel pretty shitty about how the world and I have condemned my kids to suffer the water wars in a handful of years

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

While some argue that the world will soon pass the lower Paris agreement guardrail of 1.5C of heating above the preindustrial average, Schmidt says

Unless 2022 - present turn out to be an anomaly, we already have.

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