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[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 55 points 4 months ago (6 children)

So should the guy with 34 felonys, but here we are.

[–] Mostly_Gristle@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, that goes back down to 0 if his lawyers get the judge to toss all the evidence from when he was president

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Stormy Brown pay off was during the campaign, tho.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When has the truth ever been an obstacle?

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The illegal payoff and his money ganes began outside his presidency. They are state convictions.

SCOTUS did not invalidate those.

I dunno where you're going with your aggrieved post-truth rhetoric, but the truth did and does matter.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I am saying that if they put the orange turd back in the Oval Office, and let's say New York sentences him to prison, what will happen?

This person is a convicted rapist, fraudster and who knows what else, and he has not seen any consequence. Will he?

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

We'll have to find out. Legally, he gets equal treatment.

It's his first felony conviction but there are 34 of them.

[–] toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That fucker shouldn't drop out of the race, he should be disqualified for treason and thrown in jail for his multitude of crimes.

And while I'm dreaming, I'd like a pony, too

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

Jail is too nice, unless you mean chained to a wall and fed gristle until he croaks

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

That guy should resign the same way the Nazi he idolizes did.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

He should, yes. But he won't, and we need someone who can beat him.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Yeah, but Biden is 2½ years older! /S

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Standing against a guy that's a raving lunatic doesn't make it OK to be senile. Hilary was a shit candidate and look what that got us.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Are we forgetting that he cheated to win? Like it's proven that the Russians used social media to convince people to vote for Trump. Whether or not Trump directly paid for it is speculation. But they can put Jaret Kushner and Donald Jr. In the same room with the same people several times.

[–] Weirdmusic@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

No. No he doesn't need to resign. Trump needs to resign. See ya'll got that wrong.

[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

The Atlantic, run by a former IDF soldier, should shut the fuck up.

[–] Coach@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

But the simple fact remains that if one believes Biden cannot campaign or debate successfully, then he cannot run the country presently. The Constitution contemplates a scenario in which someone would need to take the place of a president who is so diminished, and that someone is the vice president. Biden should step aside from both the campaign and the presidency, and allow Harris to take her best shot at saving the country from those who would destroy it.

A really good take on how Harris could provide an opportunity to draw a stark contrast between the Nazi...I mean, Republican party and a peaceful transition of power in a functional democracy.

Decent piece.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Yes! Totally agree and so should trump! For the same reasons!

[–] MamboGator@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] MSids@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Do you really look at him and think he's the best person to continue running the country? Look at what happened with RBG, who died in office allowing Republicans to load the supreme court with judges who are objectively bad.

Biden was fine and all, but it's starting to feel like Weekend at Bernies. Better democrat candidates exist.

[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Edit: grammer and format, improved a bit

The Republican or Republican-lite candidates would never give up their power to help the working class unless they were forced to.

Be it Trump or Biden, they will continue to fight for more endless wars, where the working class is sent to die for owner-class profits.


The American right has spent every day since Biden was nominated in 2020 presenting him as an incompetent, doddering old fool, incapable of discharging the responsibilities of the office. Biden’s task at the first presidential debate, on Thursday, was to dismiss those allegations as mere smears, as he did in 2020. Instead, he confirmed that he has aged dramatically over the past four years. Biden was very old to begin with, and at the debate he appeared far more visibly diminished than he has in the past.

The left has been telling the Republican-lites since the beginning; that is why there was a push for other Republican-lite candidates in the primary.

The earlier Biden resigns, the faster the Democratic Party can move to reunite behind the new nominee and concentrate its efforts on keeping Trump from returning to the White House. Harris would become the party’s presumptive nominee, enjoying the prestige and advantages of incumbency. She is also the only candidate who can legally access the financial war chest the Biden campaign has amassed. As Brian Beutler writes, “it’s impossible to identify the most prudent path forward with certainty.” There is no clear way to know if Harris is a politically riskier option than Biden. But if Biden’s mental state is as bad as it appeared at the debate, then there is no other choice.

Harris seems to be much worse in polling than 2016 Hillary Clinton…

Some Democrats fear the prospect of a Harris candidacy—perhaps even enough to wish for Biden to hang on until the election, despite the dangers. They worry that she will only exacerbate the appeal of Trump’s implicit promise to restore racial and gender hierarchies. Indeed, Trump’s brain trust designed his 2016 campaign around the belief that the recent Republican nominees John McCain and Mitt Romney had failed to mobilize demoralized white voters because they had not been overtly racist enough, and that the path to victory lay through deliberate racial polarization.

But the simple fact remains that if one believes Biden cannot campaign or debate successfully, then he cannot run the country presently. The Constitution contemplates a scenario in which someone would need to take the place of a president who is so diminished, and that someone is the vice president. Biden should step aside from both the campaign and the presidency, and allow Harris to take her best shot at saving the country from those who would destroy it.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online -3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I'm so close to blocking this community. Its Rule #5 states:

Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.

Instead, it's basically a leftist version of a right-wing echo chamber where if you don't support your candidate hard enough then you get downvoted into oblivion. Which is meh personally, but on the wider scale also shuts down interesting conversations that could result, if people felt more free to actually articulate their positions, using coherent logical formulations mind you. And even that is fine I suppose, if that's what this community wants to be, then it is on me to seek out what I want elsewhere.

I may not agree with someone, but I will defend to the death their right to speak.

Anyway, sorry OP that your The Atlantic article - a liberal media source if I ever heard of one - is getting downvoted to oblivion in spite of the rules of this community specifically asking for the opposite behavior. Fwiw I cross posted it to another news community in case that helps.

[–] 555_2@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Right after posting this comment you commented that someone couldn’t say “horse shit”

What was that about defending the right to speak?

[–] eran_morad@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It’s just dumbfucks unable to accept reality for what it is. Same as it ever was. FWIW, I don’t think Biden should step down, and I’ll vote for whoever the D is, no matter what. But I also think Biden should fuck off into the sunset and endorse someone else.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online -5 points 4 months ago

I am not sure that I agree, but you clearly articulated your point so I am upvoting nonetheless:-).

For myself, it depends on the facts, which I am not in full possession of. Everyone has bad days imho - that's not "news" at all - but more important is what that performance indicates about his current state. And more importantly, the state he would be in 4 years from now.

This puts the nail in coffin, so to speak, on the idea that he would even live through his Presidency, much less remain salient throughout. A vote for him is a vote for Harris, as the article suggests, and talks about how acknowledging that reality might help pick up more independent voters that could turn the tide of the election.

Oh well, it's not like it is up to any of us.

[–] die444die@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean, it could just be that people don’t like you and that’s why they’re downvoting you. You do come off a bit rude.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 0 points 4 months ago

Oh yes, I earned these particular downvotes, to be sure.:-) But I was talking about OP.

It does make it hard to have intelligent discussions on Lemmy when we cannot handle anything other than strict agreement to whatever the crowd-think happens to fall upon that day.

[–] anticolonialist@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Dont confuse shitlibs with leftists we are not the same thing.

[–] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Democrats would rather go after The Atlantic, one of the most pro-Democrat media institutions in the country, rather than contemplate replacing Biden.

This won’t end well.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online -1 points 4 months ago

People kept telling me that Trump will win and I kept fighting it, but it seems that you cannot escape facts: conservatives pull together, when it counts, whereas liberals eat their own.