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On Monday, the Supreme Court ruled that American presidents have “absolute immunity” from prosecution for any “official acts” they take while in office. For President Joe Biden, this should be great news. Suddenly a host of previously unthinkable options have opened up to him: He could dispatch Seal Team 6 to Mar-A-Lago with orders to neutralize the “primary threat to freedom and democracy” in the United States. He could issue an edict that all digital or physical evidence of his debate performance last week be destroyed. Or he could just use this chilling partisan decision, the latest 6-3 ruling in a term that was characterized by a staggering number of them, as an opportunity to finally embrace the movement to reform the Supreme Court.

But Biden is not planning to do any of that. Shortly after the Supreme Court delivered its decision in Trump v. The United States, the Biden campaign held a press call with surrogates, including Harry Dunn, a Capitol police officer who was on duty the day Trump supporters stormed the building on Jan. 6; Reps. Dan Goldman (D-N.Y.) and Jasmine Crockett (D-Texas); and deputy campaign manager Quentin Fulks.

Their message was simple: It’s terrifying to contemplate what Donald Trump might do with these powers if he’s reelected.

“We have to do everything in our power to stop him,” Fulks said.

Everything, that is, except take material action to rein in the increasingly lawless and openly right-wing Supreme Court.

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[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Right now, two things are true:

The president ordering the US military to kill US citizens on US soil is legal and cannot be challenged.

One of the presidential candidates is promising to be a dictator on day 1.

This isn't a drill. We're 4 months away from knowing if 6 months away is our democracy's end.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Biden is a conservative. He is complicit at this point.

[–] hypnoton@discuss.online 8 points 4 months ago (15 children)

Biden thinks he's a "good" person, so he's above some acts.

Thinking yourself "good" is just hubris.

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[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 8 points 4 months ago

Come on, Joe! You’ve lived long enough to become the villain. DO IT!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Getting to the point where someone might need to invade and liberate the United States.

Come on, guys! We've got oil and everything!

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Finns. They seem cool. Come on Finland invade us!

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[–] meathorse@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

At this point, what benefit is there of doing nothing and "following the rules"?

If Biden wins, then what? It doesn't fix any of the BS the supreme Court has created it just buys a couple more years until Trump tries again or the next Rep maga agent comes along. Looking at the state of the Republican party, this would be almost any of them at this point then the US is in the exact same position.

They can't hold off the Republicans forever.

Of course if he does reset the court, jails or executes Trump then that plays directly into the hands of the crazies too "SEE! We told you he's trying to take over democracy!!"

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 months ago

They're literally saying that now.

We're afraid of the threat that they'll keep doing what they're doing right now. Why? They're already doing it. We're idiots for letting it affect our decisions.

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[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Read the article, not the headline, he's not saying he won't do it or would veto legislation around it. He says he'll consider court reform. He's "dismissing it" as a thing to focus on right now because you need an an unrealistic amount of congressional votes to pack the court. Good luck with that. The supreme court interprets laws, with less votes than you need to expand it, you can write blisteringly clear legislation that leaves no room for interpretation. Supreme court problem solved.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

TFG is a threat to democracy. but we won't do anything about it. please vote harder.

no system can survive without mechanisms to protect itself. if a person is immunocompromised, a simple illness can destroy their body. if your computer doesn't have an antivirus, a simple virus can take over the whole system.

if your democracy doesn't have a way to extinguish fascism before it takes over, don't expect democracy to survive it by chance.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The reality is the democrats can't reform the supreme court, because they don't control the House of Representatives, and barely control the Senate.

To enact reform of that type they would need solid majorities in both chambers and control of the presidency. That remains very unlikely. Even simple ideas like expanding the court rather than meaningful reform is impossible as no nominees would get through congress.

It makes sense the democrats make their campaign focused on Donald Trump. And as bad as the supreme court is at the moment, the democrats have bigger issues to deal with - a lacklustre campaign with a poor candidate. It'll be hard enough trying to convince people Biden is a good choice as a candidate, let alone move into complex areas like judicial reform.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

And yet somehow even with a Democratic House/Senate you know Trump will get plenty of mileage out of using this ruling to become emperor.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

The reality is the democrats can’t reform the supreme court, because they don’t control the House of Representatives, and barely control the Senate.

The Supreme Court literally just said Biden can do whatever the fuck he wants as long as it's an "official" act, including having the conservative Justices assassinated and replaced by people he picks himself, confirmed by the Senate or not.

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[–] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (45 children)

I don’t understand how he can make changes to the Supreme Court using this new Supreme Court ruling. My understanding is that change requires Congress and the recent ruling just means he can’t be held accountable for crimes committed as official acts.

What crimes are being suggested to change the Supreme Court?

[–] calabast@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, that's a good point, I've seen a lot of suggestions that seem to go beyond the scope of this terrible terrible ruling. I guess he could order the military to prevent congress and the SC from meeting or doing anything. Then he could just issue executive orders, or declare war on a faction of politicians trying to stage a coup maybe?

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