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On Monday, the Supreme Court ruled that American presidents have “absolute immunity” from prosecution for any “official acts” they take while in office. For President Joe Biden, this should be great news. Suddenly a host of previously unthinkable options have opened up to him: He could dispatch Seal Team 6 to Mar-A-Lago with orders to neutralize the “primary threat to freedom and democracy” in the United States. He could issue an edict that all digital or physical evidence of his debate performance last week be destroyed. Or he could just use this chilling partisan decision, the latest 6-3 ruling in a term that was characterized by a staggering number of them, as an opportunity to finally embrace the movement to reform the Supreme Court.

But Biden is not planning to do any of that. Shortly after the Supreme Court delivered its decision in Trump v. The United States, the Biden campaign held a press call with surrogates, including Harry Dunn, a Capitol police officer who was on duty the day Trump supporters stormed the building on Jan. 6; Reps. Dan Goldman (D-N.Y.) and Jasmine Crockett (D-Texas); and deputy campaign manager Quentin Fulks.

Their message was simple: It’s terrifying to contemplate what Donald Trump might do with these powers if he’s reelected.

“We have to do everything in our power to stop him,” Fulks said.

Everything, that is, except take material action to rein in the increasingly lawless and openly right-wing Supreme Court.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 207 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

Biden once again bringing a deck of cards to a gunfight because responding effectively and proportionally in a situation that desperatetly calls for it wOuLd bE DiVisiVE.

THIS position is a justification for calling for him to step down from the candidacy, because refusing to even consider reforming - let alone packing (or, dare I say, the newly-revealed presidentially-legal-if-“official” extralegal and violent unpacking) the Supreme Court is very obviously going to lead to the long term failure of not only the Democratic Party, but democracy in this country in general.

[–] Coach@lemmy.world 97 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This. Right. Here.

It's fine if Biden doesn't want to play by the new rules – admirable in fact – but we have to understand that this is the game we're playing now. Either learn to play the game or take your ball and go home.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It’s fine if Biden doesn’t want to play by the new rules – admirable in fact

It's admirable, but not fine! Biden must play by the new rules; the Supreme Court gave him no choice.

"Taking the high road" doesn't just make him lose, it also dooms all the rest of us! It is unethical for him to be that selfish.

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[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 47 points 4 months ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
[–] dogsnest@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

2D deck of cards vs anarchy checkers, and America loses.

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[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 80 points 4 months ago (7 children)

It's astonishing that a man of his age is still flexible enough to stick his head up his own ass. He still thinks he can work with conservatives, doesn't he?

[–] techt@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

Dems have to be in on it, that's the only thing that makes sense. It isn't Dem vs. Rep, it's rich vs. poor :(

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[–] Wytch@lemmy.zip 70 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Conservatives, I understand. They're sick, and toxic, but they fight for what they believe in. Which is why we have to defeat them, and why we have to fight back so hard.

But Liberals, man, I just don't get it. Like zero goddamn fight in them. No political will. Not in my lifetime anyway. "Hey we're kinda less shitty than fascists, vote Democrat."

And I have to, but like, only to keep from sliding into the abyss in my own lifetime. So inspiring. Time to start over.

[–] hypnoton@discuss.online 17 points 4 months ago

Because libs self-limit. And that's because they believe themselves to be "good" people. "Good people don't do that." Thinking that you're good while your foe is evil or ungood is a type of hubris.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (5 children)

You are confusing liberals and centrist democrats. Biden and his other centrists are not putting up a fight at all. While liberals like AOC, Sanders and porter have been fighting since day 1. I'm a liberal and every traitor connected to this coup should be hung.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (4 children)

You are confusing liberals and centrist democrats.

No, he's not. Liberalism is a center-right ideology. Liberals and centrist Democrats are the same people.

You're the one using the term incorrectly as some kind of synonym for leftists.

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[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 52 points 4 months ago (18 children)

Wouldn't the correct move be to immediately prove why such a ruling is asinine? Use official powers to reform the court, new court removes dangerous ruling asap, guard rail repaired.

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[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Joe isn't going to DO SHIT and we are FUCKED and the alarm bells NEED TO BE RINGING ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 48 points 4 months ago (1 children)

WTF is wrong with Biden passing on so many easy gimme issues? JFC.

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Just like the debate, so many missed opportunities to fucking end Trump. He his not of the right mind, America is in danger.

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[–] muse@fedia.io 46 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ just hand us over to Russia already then

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Moderates keep telling us nothing matters besides stopping trump, but they keep refusing to take action to actually stop him...

Either they're lying about how big of a threat trump is (they're not) or theyre intentionally not doing everything they can to stop him.

There's no logical consistency.

That shit flies no problem with Republican voters, but historically Dem voters don't like it.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

They believe their constitution is magical and if you follow it like you do the Bible, then God will reward you with the presidency. Problem is, fundamentalists have interpreted the book to play by a different set of rules.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (7 children)

SC is literally telling Biden he has all this power...

And Biden's response is seriously:

I don't think I do, so I'm going to ignore this.

Like, imagine playing a game of soccer and the ref says you can pick the ball up.

Other team starts playing rugby, and you refuse to let your team pick up the ball.

Now imagine it's not just a game, and literally millions of lives depend on you not losing...

That's what Biden is doing.

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[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago

take material action to rein in the increasingly lawless and openly right-wing Supreme Court

Nooooooo! Then the right-wing media would paint them as partisan! Instead of what they're doing now, which is ... painting them as partisan.

[–] Tyrangle@lemmy.world 39 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Reforming the Supreme Court was basically Pete's thing during the primaries. He was talking about it years before Roe, Chevron, and absolute immunity. He suggested adding 6 more judges, 5 of which would be rotating appointments by the other 10. It's a shame Biden won't do anything about this - especially when there are other leaders in the party who would.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

If you dont try to fight fascism with every tool avaliable and legal to you, then you're a fascist. There's no if and or buts about it. Biden could take steps to counter fascism but instead he make committments to explicitly not fight it using the new SCOTUS ruling and even not to change the courts.

Even if he wins, in 4 years were going to be right back to fascism because he is explicitly refusing to fix this. Hes unfit to fight fascism which means hes unfit to be president in the modern US.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 32 points 4 months ago

Here's the difference...when Trump gets in office, 3 of the Supreme Court justices are going to fall out the window.

Biden doesn't think it's a big deal.

[–] Soundhole@lemm.ee 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sure. We'll just have a nice nap while the Christo-fascists take over the World's most powerful nuclear state. At least they'll know we took the high road!

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's like climate change action. Too little, too late. Or really not much at all. Thanks, you fucking primary DNC voters.

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[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 27 points 4 months ago

I promise you that trump and the Christo-fascist movement that he represents will be very creative and forceful wielding this power. For Biden and the Democratic leadership to asymmetrically disarm is yet another example of why the fascists keep advancing despite being unpopular on nearly every issue. The allegiance to decorum and gentlemanly procedure is killing us. Remember when Obama just let them steal a Supreme Court seat, without any fight at all? Hell, remember when Gore just cowardly backed down and ceded his win for the good of the country? I’ll say it again. Every bit of awfulness that Republican authoritarians are successfully persecuting is actively enabled by a pathologically cowardly, ineffective Democratic Party. Biden is exactly the wrong leader for this moment in history.

[–] bquintb@midwest.social 25 points 4 months ago

Because of course they did. God forbid a dem take any kind of unseemly action. Instead, we got a 5min press conference about how unacceptable it all is.

[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Let's be clear about what this is,

this is the executive branch refusing to put checks on a clearly corrupt and dysfunctional judicial branch. The stability of our 3 branch system depends on the branches being willing and able to check each other. If one branch yields to another, the system fails.

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[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Democrats aren't going to "save you". They like having the Boogeyman of Trump or to get you to vote in "the most important election in our lifetime".

Don't get me wrong, Trump and the Republicans will do more damage socially, but the Democrats couldn't/didn't/won't stop that even when they control(ed) the White House, House of Representative, and the Senate.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Remember folks that this argument falls apart the instant you look at policies. Trump and his cronies will do more damage socially and in every other imaginable way. While not perfect, I feel the Democratic side can be fixed. There is no fixing the vicious and malicious mockery that is the modern Republican Party. For now, and if we fight, the Democrats do still listen when under pressure at least some of the time.

So let's start artificially creating that supply, by demanding.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (4 children)

The campaign is made up of closeted repuglicans. Explains a lot of their bullshit this season

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If you VOTE for the Person who CURRENTLY HAS THE POWER TO REIGN IN THE FASCIST COURT they'll do something about the Court! Pinky Promise!

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Kicking the can like a dork

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

They are an existential threat to our freedom and democracy! We have to do everything in our power to stop them! Except, you know, doing anything. That would be inconceivable.

[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Fuck the Biden campaign, that should be their whole platform now. But instead they use it to threaten us.

Edit: still, im voting for him...

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[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

He needs to get rid of these traitors

[–] Lightrider@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago

Biden has already prerecorded his congratulations to trump phone call and plans on sending it a week before the election. He believes it's the only option available to him under the constitution and prevailing sense of political realism.

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