this post was submitted on 25 Jun 2024
305 points (98.1% liked)

Science Memes

11148 readers
3008 users here now

Welcome to c/science_memes @ Mander.xyz!

A place for majestic STEMLORD peacocking, as well as memes about the realities of working in a lab.



Rules

  1. Don't throw mud. Behave like an intellectual and remember the human.
  2. Keep it rooted (on topic).
  3. No spam.
  4. Infographics welcome, get schooled.

This is a science community. We use the Dawkins definition of meme.



Research Committee

Other Mander Communities

Science and Research

Biology and Life Sciences

Physical Sciences

Humanities and Social Sciences

Practical and Applied Sciences

Memes

Miscellaneous

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
all 15 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ah Its expensive to make it availiable to everyone. Oh yeah we need money for peer reviews too haha

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s so strange because publishing on the Internet is close to free, and I swear one of my peer reviewers lacked basic reading comprehension.

[–] 123nope567@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Not strange at all if it's the german Springer company this refers to, they're basically the Murdoch Empire, just publishing their stuff in German, so greed is in their DNA

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 7 points 5 months ago

There is two Springer companies

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The problem is they base that number on the already massively inflated profits they made before going open access. The only reason they have to go open access is if they are not making a deficit in profit.

Funny enough, they are still double dipping in most cases because you still have to pay the subscription to access all the non-open access papers.

[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

FOUR HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS

[–] evanstucker@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago

The Pricemaster!

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

proceeds to justify the cost of unpaid peer reviewed digital publishing using pie charts and bar plots

[–] mr_satan@monyet.cc 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What's stopping researchers from forming their online community and just putting their work on a forum?

[–] Sal@mander.xyz 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Publishing in a more prestigious journal usually means that your work will be read by a greater number of people. The journal that a paper is published on carries weight on the CV, and it is a relevant parameter for committees reviewing a grant applicant or when evaluating an academic job applicant.

Someone who is able to fund their own research can get away with publishing to a forum, or to some of the Arxivs without submitting to a journal. But an academic that relies on grants and benefits from collaborations is much more likely to succeed in academia if they publish in academic journals. It is not necessarily that academics want to rely on publishers, but it is often a case of either you accept and adapt to the system or you don't thrive in it.

It would be great to find an alternative that cuts the middle man altogether. It is not a simple matter to get researchers to contribute their high-quality work to a zero-prestige experimental system, nor is it be easy to establish a robust community-driven peer-review system that provides a filtering capacity similar to that of prestigious journals. I do hope some alternative system manages to get traction in the coming years.

[–] anarchist@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Reputation comes from public, it requires collective action and coordination. Collective action is not easy, but it is not as hard it might seem either. For example, many open source projects in software are highly reputable without a private ownership.

[–] IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org 1 points 4 months ago

That is true, but software is a much newer field overall than academia -- journals like Nature are over 100 years old, and the way prestige of journals works in academia and publishing hasn't changed significantly since the 50s. Academic publishing has a lot more momentum to change than tech, and academics have very little power to do so on an institutional level, it kinda has to come from administrators, who don't understand the problem or care.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What's the meme origin?

I found a band called Flake Michigan that maybe was the source but I don't have Instagram to confirm.