Hawaii is a victim of colonialism to this day. The sovereignty of hawaii was illegally stolen. Every day natives of hawaii are priced out of their own homes by their alleged fellow citizens. A genocide beneath the very fingers that so like to point towards other nations.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The US is still bitter that Hawaii was more advanced than the United States of Backwards way back when.

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Would Hawaii live in peace and prosperity if it were suddenly its own independent state?

[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They did before they were conquered. Why is that so hard to imagine now?

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hawaii was annexed in 1898. So, why dredge up anger at the conquest over 100 years later?

[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

First of all, that's not at all a reasonable reply to my comment. Second, how the hell do you have the gall to openly post this fascist garbage for all the world to see?

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably not with the US around. It's never let any other country live in quiet peace and prosperity. It's always worth being optimistic, though.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We don't even let our own people live in quiet peace and prosperity. 😩

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

One day!

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[–] Defaced@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can I ask you something? And this is me being genuine here, because I'm clearly out of the loop, but what is it about communism that you think is really great? Just forget about the capitalist propaganda comments, I want your genuine opinion, why is it great and what drew you to it?

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[–] Defaced@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can choose not to answer and I respect that, I've seen you guys post around here a lot. While I have in the past tried to avoid those conversations, I've simply never given any of you a chance to speak your mind. Do I believe there are people on lemmy that just want to troll? Absolutely! There's people like that everywhere, I'm simply trying to understand your perspective because I've never engaged in the subject, now I'm intrigued. I've gotten to a point where I just have to know what drives you and why. Answer if you want or ignore me, I won't harass you about it. I'm just trying to give you a chance to speak and explain so I can better understand. There's no trickery here, I promise.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be up to the people who live there to figure out how to run things. This is certainly not an argument for US to continue occupying them.

[–] atlasraven31@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, just clarifying the best case scenario. Did the Hawaiian people recently vote to leave the union that I am unaware of?

[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

When did they vote to join? They fought pretty hard to keep their rightfully elected government.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Judging by their history, probably not. Just like people's everywhere, Hawaiians have a very violent history full of warfare!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nu%CA%BBuanu

"Caught between the Hawaiian Army and a 1000-foot drop, over 700 Oʻahu warriors either jumped or were pushed over the edge of the Pali (cliff). In 1898 construction workers working on the Pali road discovered 800 skulls which were believed to be the remains of the warriors that fell to their deaths from the cliff above."