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Former Israeli Knesset member Moshe Feiglin quoted Adolf Hitler as he called for Israel to resettle the Gaza Strip and create a "Hebrew Gaza."

Feiglin, who quit Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud Party to found the right-wing Zehut Party and plans to challenge Likud in Israel's next elections, made the comments during a panel discussion on Israel's Channel 12 that was shared on social media on Sunday, as Middle East Eye reported.

"We are not guests in our country, this is our country, all of it..." Feiglin said, adding, "As Hitler said, 'I cannot live if one Jew is left.' We can't live here if one 'Islamo-Nazi' remains in Gaza."

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 118 points 5 months ago (3 children)

.... does he not see the irony in calling the other guys nazis while directly (and knowingly) quoting Hitler?

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 5 months ago

You want the truth or you want to keep what's left of your faith in humanity?

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 13 points 5 months ago

It's not directed at you or me or most others, it's a rallying cry to his supporters.

I'd call it a dog-whistle but he said all of it out loud.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

It’s the same projection play that the GOP and Russia use. Antifa are fascists. LGBTQ+ people are oppressing us. Ukrainians are Nazis, let’s abduct all their children.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 118 points 5 months ago (3 children)

wait, he ACTUALLY SAID HE'S QUOTING HITLER???

when i read the title i thought he said something identical or very similar to something Hitler said maybe without knowing... all fascism leads to the same destination after all, you don't need to be deliberate about it. (remember how people said TFG was quoting hitler and he said, and i paraphrase, "i didn't know he said it i just came up with the same conclusion on my own" as if that doesn't make it worse... kinda like that)

but NO! he literally quotes Hitler by attributing the quote to Hitler without a modicum of irony. dude the israeli government has gone do far deep into fascism that they can't even use the thinnest veils as cover.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Coming from a country which had a Fascist dictatorship until the 70s, I've started calling Zionism ethno-Facism, because it's a far more rabidly racist strain than most Fascist dictatorships and unlike almost all of the others which were mainly Nationalist, claims to represent an entire ethnicity and justifies even their used of the most extreme violence as some kind life or death fight for the defense of their ethnicity.

Fascism as seens in places like Spain, Portugal, Greece or even Italy was mainly Nationalist (still authocratic, repressive and violent) and never anywhere as racist or violent as the kind of Fascism that includes claims of racial superiority and representing a whole ethnicity.

Amongst Fascists in Europe it's only the Nazis that claimed, like the Zionists do, that they represented an entire ethnicity, who similarly committed extreme genocidal violence against specific ethnicities whilst claiming it was all in defense of their own ethnicity and who in the same way claimed than critci sm of their acts was being against that ethnicity.

Any Fascism is bad, but ethno-Fascism adds to it the whole layer of ethnicity and hence is far more cold, calously violent and genocidal when it comes to other ethnicities - think Ku-Klux-Klan crossed with Fascism.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 5 months ago

Yeah, his take seems to be "Hitler was right, races can't coexist, if only he had been Jewish" from that quote.

[–] Billy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

He has never been part of Israel's government.
Like I wrote in another comment, he was 36th on the Likud's list 10 years ago, and later founded a party that didn't even get 1 mandate.

Yeah, he obviously can't be a very good politician if he's going around telling the truth like that

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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 51 points 5 months ago

Wow, Bibi wasn't quite far right enough for this Jewish Nazi. And fucking ironic he's talking about 'Islamo-Nazi' s.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Pretty much the entirety of the Zionist propaganda follows the same ethno-Fascist lines as the Nazis stuff, from the "chosen people" and them claiming to represent a whole ethnicity to their claims that their agressive murderous violence along ethnic lines is "defense" and even calling anybody who criticizes their violence as being against their race, in the case of Zionists by calling the "anti-semites" whilst the Nazis would say that such critics were "against the Arian Race".

Most of what the Zionists say is just Nazi propaganda with "Arian Race" replaced by "Jewish People" and "against the Arian Race" replaced by "anti-semite".

So one kind a member of an ethno-Fascist ideology - a Zionist - directly quoting the leader of another ethno-Fascist ideology such as Hiltler, is not at all surprising.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 19 points 5 months ago

It does seem like the TL;DR of right wing Israelis is "Hitler was right, but his only problem was that he was killing us."

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Looks like they choose themselves. Nobody chose them.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 41 points 5 months ago (16 children)

Here's a reminder that the right wing Zionist used to work with the Nazis, some of them even after the war starts.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I used to kid about "You know, it's only a matter if time before someone starts talking about a 'final solution to 'the Palestinian problem'." And yet, here we are...

[–] match@pawb.social 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

After the war and genocide the Palestinians will need a homeland. I say we give them Norwich and arm them to displace the English

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

There's actually a really good alternate history novel along those lines, after WWII, instead of Israel, they were given Sitka, Alaska.

The Yiddish Policemen's Union

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yiddish_Policemen%27s_Union

The Coen Brothers were attached to turn it into a movie but nothing came of it. :(

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

They have become the thing they hate.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 54 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I get the impression with a lot of Israeli politicians, they didn’t hate the Nazis so much as they hated being the out-group of the Nazis. Since, as soon as they were able to establish a foothold of power they’ve largely followed the same playbook, but with themselves as the “Master Race” and everybody else as the vermin to exterminate.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Fascist thought is perfectly compatible between countries of different races. The philosophy is the "right" type of people should expel (or murder) undesirable minorities and take the resources they need. If those minorities go somewhere else and oppress some other people, that's just how the world is supposed to work when it's not corrupted by things like equal rights or respect for personal freedom. It's how Aryan-supremacist Germany had no issues allying with Japan. They both believed in a world order where it was the natural state of things for racially homogeneous states to dominate lesser races and claim the resources for their people. Because they're just better, and all the problems are from race-mixing and kowtowing to the undeserving.

One of the early anti-Jewish efforts by the Nazis (promoted now by some Israeli politicians for Palestinians) was encouraging Jews migrate somewhere else, Israel being one of the common destinations.

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[–] TheBlackLounge@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to try and create a Zionist Palestine, very early on. This is well documented.

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[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean, Likud is the successor organization to the original Zionists, so they've always been genocidal ethno-fascists. But this guy decided to form his own party because Likud apparently wasn't ethno-fascist enough for him.

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 months ago

I'm most surprised by how little this development surprised me.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

How anti-semitic of him

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago
[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Seems like a nut.

Also he's not in office. It's kinda like getting upset if George Santos said something insane.

I get that people are working hard to find evidence for the "Israel = Nazis" narrative that's currently trending, but kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel aren't we?

[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Or, here's another way of looking at it. Man who voluntarily left the ruling party of Israel and remains a part of Israel's political class quotes Hitler. Not in the way we all quote Hitler to show that a point of view is wrong because Hitler held it, but rather in the way we quote someone like Nelson Mandela or Albert Einstein; to support an argument because we respect the source.
Meaning, Israeli politician respects Hitler.

Israel=Nazis is trending because the Israeli regime is genocidal, just like the Nazi regime that necessitated the creation of Israel, which is tragically ironic. This news piece is just garnish.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (12 children)

Ex Likud members which used to be part of the Knesset that are now running their own party and saying this stuff on mainstream israeli TV channels does indicate something.

Unless they arrested this guy for saying literal Nazi shit on TV of course. Surely israel would do that right.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Time is a flat circle and irony is dead

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

...and there it is.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Whats with all these Judea-Nazis in Israel?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If you think any of this is new I have a Nakba to sell you.

[–] Billy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 months ago

A politician who got the 36th position in the Likud list 10 years ago.
The party he founded after that didn't get even 1 mandate.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 8 points 5 months ago

Any chance Zehut is pronounced like Zealot?

[–] fargeol@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago
[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Nobody Jewish should ever do so.

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