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'Old and decrepit' Trump rant exposed him as 'a shadow of what he was four years ago'
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Don’t you think he looks tired?
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How come? He had a lot of sleep in NY.
It's a Dr Who reference (which is itself a Thatcher reference)
He looks like he ought to shoot himself in the face.
Take it with a grain of salt since the description is coming from an MSNBC host.
But she's right in that, when it comes to deciding sentencing, this will not do him any favors.
Maximum sentence is 4 years per count +$5,000 fine.
So he'll likely get multiple 4 year sentences, served concurrently, and $5K x 34... $170,000 fine.
He'll never see the inside of a cell. The legal system protects shit like him.
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Pipe dreams. It’s extremely rare for prison sentences to be imposed for white collar, non-violent e felonies like this.
Merchan isn’t going to impose a shit load of time just because people want it- that would pretty quickly get over turned by higher courts.
Most likely the best we can hope for is house arrest; the only reason we have a hope of jail time at all is that trumps behavior during and leading up to the trial (inciting his mob to threaten violence, refusal to abide gag orders.)
In some regards the house arrest might be politically the best for Trump. He can still broadcast his stupidity.
Again, look at the other people involved. Cohen got 3 years for his part in it, Alan Weisselberg, while not convicted for this, got 5 months for his role in another Trump ordered scheme.
So, yeah, it does happen for white collar crime. When you consider 34 counts and his lack of contrition, I can see the Judge hitting him with the max, which, granted, is only 4 years.
I’m being cautiously optimistic here, but I have to admit prison time is probably a long shot. Justice Merchan didn’t want to jail him on his ten instances of contempt, and I can understand wanting to avoid politicizing an already unprecedented trial and handing the defense reason for appeal. Given convicted felon Donald Trump’s behavior however, my personal prediction is something like house arrest and possibly a supervised release schedule. Total bullshit, but I do think Merchan has been playing the long game so that whatever sentence he hands down is airtight and holds up under appeal.
A part of me hopes they fine him $130k. Fining him the exact amount he paid Stormy Daniels somehow feels like an even bigger "fuck you" than the maximum possible financial penalty.
So with the inflation adjustment, that looks like ... 172k today!
No, that won't do any rehabilitation. It needs to be jailed or maybe cleaning the highway.
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But then if he forges fake business records to pay the fine... :)
Hey, criminals do dumb stuff all the time...
4 years, one for each year he was president.
EDIT: begin the "four more years!" chanting
An analysis I read said NY almost never imprisons a first time fraud offender. If true then it's pretty unlikely he will be imprisoned at all.
On one hand you're right about first time offenders, but on the other he's made it clear monetary fines don't dissuade him (e.g. the ten he got for his truth social attacks on the judge and co.) which could in turn influence the decision regarding jailtime.
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Cohen was a first time offender and did 3 years for the same crime.
This is patently untruthful.
First, Cohen’s conviction was federal. Trumps are state.
Second. Trump is convicted of fraudulent business records. Cohen was convicted of lying to a financial institution, tax fraud, unlawful corpo contributions, and excessive campaign contributions. (Source)
Not the same crime, the same crime plus tax evasion and making false statements to a federally-insured bank.
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I believe the maximum total is 4 years, not cumulative. And given that it’s his first conviction, and he has a campaign to run, the chance he’ll spend any time in jail at all is slim.
*edit: OP mentioned concurrently, so they said the same thing. Reading comprehension at 8 AM not booted up yet.
Concurrent means not cumulative
Oops, my morning brain skipped over that word, thanks for pointing it out.
Fat old convicted criminal looks tired.
More at 11.
Convicted felon Trump?
Prisoner Elect.
Four years ago he was a deranged fascist with limited mental faculties. I don't think that dial has really moved.
Somehow he has actually gotten worse mentally
somehow? you mean like taking a very old demented person and adding four years?
Yup, that'll do it
Somehow, Palpatine has got worse.
Well, he's now also a convicted felon.
He looks like the Hamburglar chose the wrong grail.
Hamberdler
He was only ever a shadow of what you thought he was, that's been the whole point the entire time, you are chasing shadows
Now he's less more like a lighting artifact that stupid people think is a UFO.
A shadow of what he was 4 years ago?
So a steaming pile of shit is now... Like dried turd?
Four years ago?
I can't tell the difference between his insane statements today, and his insane statements from 8+ years ago.
"They're the same picture"
Dude is on so many drugs. It's like that episode of Simpsons when mr burns sees the doctor and the doctor tries to push a bunch of plushies through the door
Indestructible...
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