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[–] zaphod@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Of those who say they receive more than they pay, support for the carbon price reaches 79 per cent. Among those who believe they spend more than they get back, the results are flipped: 82 per cent oppose the tax.

Got it. So people who don't understand the policy don't support it, and people who do support it do. That tracks.

Fix the messaging and the problem is solved. This isn't rocket surgery, but for some reason both the NDP and Liberals are piss poor at messaging (to wit: the Alberta UCP going on an advertising spree about their assinine Alberta pension plan idea while the silence from the opposition has been deafening).

[–] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

And those people who don't support it because they pay more in carbon tax are the ones who need their behaviour to change... So, it works.

[–] AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And kids don't want to eat their vegetables or go to bed on time... Sometimes people need to be encouraged to do the thing they don't want to do, but is only in their best interest.

The stupidest part of this whole thing is now easy it would be to set up in a way that people could accept...

Levy a small carbon tax, nation wide, on all energy, for all users. The carbon tax goes into a fund, which is re-distributed to encourage the right behaviour:

  • Improve / expand public transit
  • Fund energy-efficiency retrofits
  • Subsidize green power initiatives
  • Rebates on zero-emission transport like electric bikes, and compact electric cars
  • Retrain existing oil & gas industry workers to install/maintain electric infrastructure
  • Cash for Clunkers to get polluting vehicles off the road
  • Build new, ultra-energy efficient homes based on an improved building code
  • Tax rebates to everyone in the lowest tax brackets.

Please, steal this idea.

[–] nueonetwo@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

And kids don't want to eat their vegetables or go to bed on time... Sometimes people need to be encouraged to do the thing they don't want to do, but is only in their best interest.

I work as a public servant and I say this like once a week. The general public acts like a spoiled child who wants to eat candy for dinner. The public do not care that candy isn't nutritious, they do not care that they will rot their teeth out if they eat out for every meal, they do not care that it will give them an upset stomach. They know what's best for them and candy is what's best.

[–] MooseGas@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand why they don't use carbon tax revenues to fund public transit, electric car rebates, and other noticeable benefits. Instead, I pay carbon tax to heat my house, on my fuel and I still have to pay $20 a day in transit.

Instead, it's a black hole of who knows where it goes. This is the Canadian way of solving problems though. More taxes and no accountability until it bites us in the ass.

I'm just going to edit to add:

Electric cars aren't great in Canada. Distances are often too far and cold weather really restricts batteries. We will always need some type of fuel.

Same with home heating. Heat pumps don't work in very cold weather. We will still need to burn fuel.

In both cases we are paying carbon tax when we really have choice of "cleaner" alternatives.

[–] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/axe-the-tax-and-carbon-rebate-how-canada-households-affected-1.7046905

I know you had a lot of unbacked up claims in your comment, but I wanted to remind you that most people get money back from the carbon rebate then they paid in.

[–] rab@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah because it's just pinning the issue on regular people who have no control over climate change

[–] joshhsoj1902@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago

The carbon pricing redistributes the earnings back to people.

This then does let people have an impact on climate change by influencing them to choose products that produce less carbon and therefore appear to cost less.

The genius is that the price difference is artificial, if on average people in the province choose the more expensive option, they will make back the difference quarterly.

As is the system only really penalizes people who consistently choose the more carbon inefficient options and do it a lot.