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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
 

I have seen many people in this community either talking about switching to Brave, or people who are actively using Brave. I would like to remind people that Brave browser (and by extension their search engine) is not privacy-centric whatsoever.

Brave was already ousted as spyware in the past and the company has made many decisions that are questionable at best. For example, Brave made a cryptocurrency which they then added to a rewards program that is built into the browser to encourage you to enable ads that are controlled by Brave.

Edit: Please be aware that the spyware article on Brave (and the rest of the browsers on the site) is outdated and may not reflect the browser as it is today.

After creating this cryptocurrency and rewards program, they started inserting affiliate codes into URL's. Prior to this they had faked fundraising for popular social media creators.

Do these decisions seem like ones a company that cares about their users (and by extension their privacy) would make? I'd say the answer is a very clear no.

One last thing, Brave illegally promoted an eToro affiliate program making a fortune from its users who will likely lose their money.

Edit: To the people commenting saying how Brave has a good out-of-the-box experience compared to other browsers, yes, it does. However, this is not a warning for your average person, this is a warning for people who actively care about their privacy and don't mind configuring their browser to maximize said privacy.

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[–] veniasilente@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Even worse for privacy, it uses the Chrome engine.

[–] les@beehaw.org 1 points 1 month ago

I absolutely agree, many news about security issues have already been published before.

[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll keep using and promoting it. I consider it better than Mozilla/FF anyway. Deal with it and stop telling people what they should and shouldn't do.

[–] gornius@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Brave behaving like Win XP era browser with gazillion toolbars installed, with a pinch of crypto and crypto promoting ads should be a giant red flag.

FOSS =/= trusted by default. Why are there so many FOSS evangelists, but such a damn tiny part of them are programmers, let alone programmers able to examine a source code behind such a giant codebase as web browser?

I use Vivaldi, at least their business model is clear, and developer is kind of trusted, and not crypto scammer and homophobe.

[–] amir_s89@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

How about the Opera Browser?

[–] HKayn@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

How about we just let users use what they want? I don't use Brave, but it has some legitimate anti-fingerprinting tech.

[–] moitoi@feddit.de 0 points 1 year ago

The issue is wider than Brave. Nowadays, companies build uncritical communities around their products.

If you try to be critical, you loose the community in which you're involved on one side. And, if you are critical from the outside, "you don't understand" like in the "you're not the choose one".

[–] Stahlreck@feddit.ch 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Does this all matter though? Afaik the browser if fully open source, even the crypto stuff so all the shady stuff would be detected (and has as in your examples). Like all of the issues you linked at this point are years in the past. I don't use Brave personally but it being completely FOSS is a huge plus even if the company itself might be weird. On the other hand you have something like Vivaldi that looks like "the good guys" but you'll always have to trust them as well because they're not fully open source.

I use FF but you just cannot deny that using a Chromium based browser has many security advantages over Gecko, especially on mobile. I takes Mozilla seemingly years and years to implement security features like Chromium. They don't put the necessary priority behind this.

[–] RandyButternubs@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 year ago

its open source tho, show me the spyware and i will belive you

[–] LWJanniesRCucks@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Not reading all that, still sticking to based Brave 😎

[–] trailing9@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why are there daily posts against Brave but not against other browsers? Is Google more trustworthy than Brave?

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Because Brave likes to portray itself as privacy friendly. We already know Chrome, Edge and others aren't.

[–] PlatypusXray@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh no, a shady, unknown neocities site is telling me to not trust my browser! Yes, I can use Firefox, uBlock and uMatrix, except on iOS, where I can’t do that, and that is where Brave does a good job. I am really tired of those „Brave baaad“ posts. Look guys, unless you are using Linux you might want to direct your attention at the huge, morally flexible company that does collect your data, no matter what browser you choose.

[–] eya@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

a shady, unknown neocities site is telling me to not trust my browser

Spyware Watchdog has been a resource for checking browser's for a very long time. It's not longer maintained, which is why I said "in the past".

uMatrix

The fact you even bring up this dead extension...

except on iOS, where I can’t do that

You can use AdGuard and Safari, but if you're on iOS you've already given up any semblance of privacy in the first place.

[–] PlatypusXray@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago

Oh, yes, because Android is so trustworthy, right? Google would never turn evil, after all. But I suppose you are sharing your wisdom from the coziness of a Windows desktop.

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Newsflash: everything that isn't free and entirely open source is generally spyware these days.

It's amazing how we pilloried RealPlayer and burned its parent company to the fucking ground over two decades ago for far less egregious transgressions than what we now let Meta, Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc get away with.

[–] nothingness@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago
[–] Gooey0210@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago
  1. I use brave on android, because there's not much choice. I really-really-really loved bromite, but noupdatess for like a year Recently I found out there's cromite so I think i will check that one out
  2. On desktop I use librewolf, only
  3. For any people using google chrome/yandex/edge/opera I install brave and disable all the crypto/advertising/crap. It would be nice to have a script that does it automatically. Or another browser that just doesn't have that
[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago

If people want to use Brave, or Windows, or install screen doors on their submarines who am I to complain?

The fact is for a lot of people, Brave offers a superior out of box experience compared to firefox or almost any other browser. In terms of ad blocking, speed and ease of use, it's pretty much second to none. The fact that you install it and go is really appealing and how easy they make the slider to adjust the aggressiveness of the script blocking is great ui that my dad mother could use.

Yes, the company isn't very good, it's headed by a guy with a questionable history and has a poor track record when it comes to monetization strategy. I stopped using Brave this year, but for ages it was my goto because I could just install it and have an improved web experience.

[–] kworpy@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please just stop flooding this community with Brave-related shit. We already know what a shitty browser it is, we aren't living under the rocks you think we are.

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[–] Daydream8714@lemmy.today -1 points 1 year ago

I would be very curious what other browsers people recommend. I use Brave solely because of the profile feature it offers, which for my use case is an order of magnitude better than Firefox’s containers. Is there something more private/better than Brave that still has profiles?

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