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[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not very inclusive when atheist kids and gay troop leaders still told to GTFO.

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

All a kid has to do is say ' I believe in a higher power's and that's that. Doesn't even have to lie if he means 'newtons third laws' as the power

[–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social -1 points 6 months ago

Maybe if you take it as written but it will always be enforced unequally. In my rural ass troop there was a very heavy christian implication from scout leaders, and my parents. They didn’t end up forcing me to say it, but it was a very uncomfortable day of adults I was supposed to be able to trust repeatedly pressuring me to publicly announce my belief and helplessness in the face of a fairy tale. Not the only day I was religiously pressured either.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's good, my niece is in Boy Scouts and enjoys it. The Girl Scout troops are all cookies all the time.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I'm an eagle scout from the days before they started accepting girls, I remember always hearing about how much cooler the BSA program was than girl scouts

Part of the problem is with how things are structured. BSA troops tend to stick around for a a while (the troop I was part of well over a decade ago is still going strong and just a couple years off from its 100 year anniversary,) so you end up with a lot of accumulated knowledge and resources over the years, people stick around after they age out of the program to stay on as leaders, they bring their own kids into the program years later, we had some 2nd or 3rd generation eagle scouts who had all earned it from the same troop their fathers and grandfathers did, we had a garage full of troop gear, a pretty decent troop library fell of merit badge books, old handbooks, various first aid and camping manuals, etc. some troops have their own cabins or campsites or other such properties, and the organization makes it very easy for new scouts to find an existing troop, pack, crew, ship, etc. to join.

Girl scouts often don't have that. Sometimes they do, and when they do they can actually do a pretty amazing program, I've heard of some girl scout troops who've done some pretty cool stuff that honestly puts my own troop to shame, but more often they kind of tend to get formed with a group of girls around the same age and their mothers, never really do much recruitment, and when the girls either age out or lose interest and drop out the troop just kind of folds. They have to put a lot into the cookie sales and fundraising because they're usually starting with no troop gear or other resources, there's not much generational knowledge about how to run a scouting program, so they tend to just kind of have to figure things out on the fly. And a key part of the boy scout program was "boys teaching boys" the older kids in the troop take on leadership roles and help run the program teaching the younger kids, if you're starting with a group all about the same age, you lose out on a lot of that dynamic.

Also as far as recruitment goes, at least back when I was in scouts, even if you waned to join an existing girl scout troop, it could actually be pretty hard to find them. BSA had their BeAScout website, you could find all the local groups, meeting schedules, and contact info pretty easily, girl scouts, at least at the time, didn't have anything like that. I remember there was one time my troop wanted to reach out to some of the local girl scout troops to see if they wanted to participate in some kind of event we were having, and they had a hell of a time finding any contact info for them.

Also, some of the girl scout leader training requirements seemed a little excessive, maybe the situation has changed, but I remember hearing that they had to have leaders with specific training for pretty much any little part of their planned activity, like there was a specific training to go on camping trips, a separate training if you wanted to have a campfire on the camping trip, etc. and a lot of them were paid courses and I don't think they were cheap. I don't have anything against training in general, I had to do a few when I was a boy scout leader, but some of what I heard from the girl scout side of things sounded pretty excessive to me.

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Good. I'm slightly less embarrassed to be an eagle Scout now, though I was already the worst Eagle Scout ever, y'know, apart from the evil ones.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

I moved before I could complete an eagle scout project but still had a blast in my extremely dysfunctional troop. Good life lessons for sure.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Gay members? ✅
Gay leaders? ✅
Girls? ✅

Atheists? Um... er... well...

https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/10/03/belief-in-god-scouting/

As an atheist scout, I got around that by just lying to them. LOL. I guess I wasn't a good scout.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Your article is from 2014. 10 years ago all of your other checks were NO as well. I can't find anything recently about atheists with a quick search, just old stuff like that.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's still a core part of their membership:

https://www.scouting.org/

Scout Oath “On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.”

More:

https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2018/05/31/bsa-reaffirms-duty-to-god-aspect-of-all-programs-through-resolution-adopted-at-2018-national-annual-meeting/

https://dutytogodbsa.org/portfolio/what-does-duty-to-god-mean/

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

it is, BUT, if you read between the lines of the requirements, there's plenty of room for pragmatic atheists (in pragmatic packs/troops). It's not perfect, but overall Scouting has absolutely embraced inclusiveness.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

if you read between the lines

A big part of Scouting, at the organizational level, is fund raising. Without funds, you can't afford the uniforms or the events or any of the things that make Boy Scouts a social group.

Historically, the Mormon Church has been a major contributor and facilitator of Boy Scout troops, particularly through the American Midwest and Southwest. Catholics and Methodists are other large scale feeders for the organization. Yes, you can read between the lines. But show up with your "pragmatic atheist" merit badge, and you're not going to be particularly well received by other troops who came up through religious organizations.

Jews and Muslims haven't have it particularly easy integrating with the Boy Scouts, either.

[–] Shyfer@ttrpg.network 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So is there a point to the Girl Scouts now? What are they going to do? Start accepting boys? Or try to widen their activities to compete with the Boy Scouts so they don't lose membership?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

So is there a point to the Girl Scouts now?

You're far less likely to be sexually assaulted.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee -1 points 6 months ago

These WOKE SOCIALISTS are RUINING this AMAZING organization that Rapes Young Men!

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

is this a mandela effect or why do i specifically remember hearing that they had already done this like 4-8 years ago

edit: did my due research

In 2019, the Boy Scouts of America renamed its flagship program, Boy Scouts, to Scouts BSA to reflect its policy change allowing girls to join separate, gender-specific troops.[3]

On May 7, 2024, BSA announced that the organization will change its name to Scouting America. The change will go into effect on February 8, 2025.[5]