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Notice for all moderators: please check the lemm.ee moderation policy (lemm.ee)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by sunaurus@lemm.ee to c/meta@lemm.ee

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Hey folks!

This is a quick notice about a change to our moderation policy.

We have had a policy on lemm.ee for administration and federation nearly since the very beginning. This policy has also always included a section about moderator responsibilities. Today, we have made two changes to this policy:

The policy has been renamed to Policy for administration, moderation, federation - this is to make it clear that the policy is also relevant for mods
We have introduced a new responsibility for moderators, they must "Ensure that they only provide accurate and clear reasons for mod actions".

The reason for the addition is that mod log actions federate out to other instances, and are more or less permanent (due to how Lemmy and federation works right now). This means that users do not really currently have any easy way to clarify or defend themselves against inaccurate accusations in the mod log.

As always, I am very grateful to all mods for your efforts in building awesome communities on lemm.ee. I hope you can understand why this new policy is necessary - I do not want to make your lives more difficult, the goal is to just try and reduce any mod log related misunderstandings in the future.

Thank you for reading and have a nice day!

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's a good idea.

[+] exocrinous@startrek.website -11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, it really is. Because modlog actions are federated and irreversible, mod logs are a form of speech that cannot be suppressed in any way. If you search up a user, you see what every mod on the whole fediverse has to say about them, and there's no way to argue back. It's the perfect tool for harassment and doxxing. One of the db0 admins even tried (and did a bad job) to dox me using the modlog.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 20 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You realize everyone can look up your three accounts in the modlog and see you're lying, right?

[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ooh ooh do me! (Spoiler: I shouldn't be in any modlog because I'm not a twat).

/s (I'm not trying to be reported)

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website -1 points 6 months ago

I wouldn't have made a public comment about the issue if the db0 admin had done a good enough job at it that you'd be able to look it up. Then I'd be the one doing the doxxing, what with the Streisand effect. I told you the db0 admin did a bad job. But jumping straight to accusations of lying just because you didn't pay attention? What's your grudge against me?

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website -5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

RE: my other comment

Also, if I'm understanding the situation correctly, you heard that I got doxxed, went to go look for my private information, got upset when you couldn't find it, and yelled at me about it? Why's it so precious for you to want my private information? What's with this harassment?

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It's called fact checking dingus.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

I find it curious that your comment has 3 downvotes, and their comment has 3 upvotes, and that you mentioned they have 3 accounts. Vote manipulation perhaps?

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I told you they did a bad job doxxing me. You didn't fact check shit. You just tried to take a peek at someone else's private information. There are privacy-respecting methods of fact checking that would actually work in this situation, and you didn't use them.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

One thing I did see in your modlog was a lot of removals and bans for toxicity and I'm starting to understand why.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 4 points 6 months ago

Their Modlog was WILD xD

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I've never been toxic on Lemmy, and I've never violated the rules of an instance or community I was commenting on. I do however have a disability I've been banned for, and I've espoused pro-trans political views that certain admins have taken issue with.

I actually got banned from startrek.website, the instance I'm leaving this comment from, for a while. They thought I was faking being trans. After a few months, it became clear I'm not faking, and they apologised and here I am.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I've seen your modlog, it shows the banned messages. You are frequently toxic, and if the disorder you are talking about is narcissism, then yeah, that fucking sucks, but its REALLY HARD to have empathy for a dangerous asshole. If you dont have the ability to naturally have empathy, you need to learn how to fake and maintain it, because empathy is a two way street, and we arent going to give you any if you arent going to give us any. Empathy isnt a magical construct, it can be learned and purposely maintained/used. Is that form going to take more energy and effort than natural empathy? Hell yeah it will, but its an important skill for society to function

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, but my empathy is very deeply impaired and there's almost nothing I can do about it. The empathy I feel for others is very finely tuned, I have plenty of it, I always know and understand what other people are feeling. But the empathy I GET from others is nearly nothing. I receive an impaired sense of empathy from neurotypicals. Other people with NPD have been very kind to me, but neurotypicals make a choice not to put in the 10% extra effort it takes to feel empathy for a person with NPD. That's why you think I'm toxic. You're choosing not to feel empathy for me. You're choosing not to understand the position I'm in, and so when I complain about a problem or try to fix it, you think I'm complaining about nothing.

The only thing I can do to resolve my problems with empathy is to campaign for greater recognition of the fact that we disabled people ARE people. Whether you choose to listen is something entirely out of my control.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not choosing to withold empathy from you, I am recognising the very real danger that your disability poses to myself, the fact that I am acknowledging it is a disability is proof that I am cautiously showing you empathy. What I am saying though is that the instant you stop showing me empathy is the instant I shut off empathy for you, the difference (or similarity depending on how you look at it) is that it takes similar amounts of work and intention from me to shut off empathy, as it would take for you to turn on empathy. Neurotyps are only ever going to think about narcissism enough to cut empathy off to you if you've TOLD them you are a narcissist, or you have shown them so through your actions.

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Using my sense of affective empathy, I see that you're scared of me because I'm disabled. Using my sense of cognitive empathy, I make an educated guess that you've accepted a bunch of stereotypes about disabled people as true without seriously checking them. Putting myself in your shoes, I can only imagine I would take such a confrontational stance with someone just for how they were born, if I was scared absolutely shitless. Drawing on my own experience as a person living with NPD, and factoring in your lack of experience, I don't believe at all what you're saying about neurotypicals having empathy for people with NPD by default and making a conscious choice to turn it off. I've been in thousands of situations where a neurotypical interacted with a person living with NPD, involving thousands of neurotypicals. I only know of one time you've been in such a situation.

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

So heres the thing, you're twisting the narrative. You're trying to be the victim here. I'm not saying you are dangerous because you're disabled, you are PROVING you are dangerous by manipulating the conversation to look like you are being victimized. Anyone who's been around the block can spot that kind of manipulation from a mile away and will start avoiding interacting with you as much as possible as soon as they see that because it has the power to seriously fuck up social circles. You need professional help because anyone who ISNT a professional does not have the time or knowledge to interact with you without the risk of fucking up their lives because they got on your bad side. If you want to be accepted more or interact with anyone who isnt young and nieve, you need to stop with the victim complex. I'm not terrified of you, I was giving you some feedback before I inevitably block you and move on with my life because the only way a narcissist can improve their position is if they want to, and the unfortunate thing about that disability is it makes them not really care to. Anyways, I'm officially out because I'm not down with narrative manipulation. I wish you a good life as long as you dont let your disability fuck up numerous other peoples lives

[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

1: Saying that this specific account is an Alt for Drones Rights is not doxxing, when you are being banned for Ban Evasion

2: Everything you put onto the internet is public info, dont put or say anything online that you dont want users to have access to

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website -1 points 6 months ago

I'm quite open about being Drone Rights. I've never hidden it. Some people have tried to gotcha with "you're drone rights", and I said "yes... That's obvious. I even moderate the community from this account." But there's another person who is closeted about their gender and has been accused of being me by an instance admin who claims to have access to secret logs that say we're the same person. Given that I have faced massive amounts of harassment, abuse, and transphobia for being openly dronegender, and they are not open about their gender, you can see how I would not want them to be exposed to people like you.

[–] applepie@kbin.social 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wait how do you check it?

[–] beneeney@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you scroll to the very bottom of the site, there is a link to the modlog. That is lemmy-wide (ie. everything federated) and you can filter by action and user.

You can also check community-specific modlogs from a button in the sidebar of whatever community.

[–] applepie@kbin.social 4 points 6 months ago

Ty for heads up.

I am on kbin, gonna look around.

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago

This is a good change, thanks.

[–] Navarian@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

Great work as always, will make sure to be concise as possible in the future with mod log reasonings, should I need to!

Cheers lemm.ee team.

[–] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

Best instance continues to set the bar.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

Good guy admin, good good instance 👍

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

Lemmy is beginning to get overly moderated so I think being clear on why comments are getting deleted is a great way to avoid mod abuse.

I'm a big believer in freedom of speech and how ideas are changed through open and honest discourse for the betterment of mankind. It's a true ideal of the internet and the world at whole.

I hope this instance remains as free an open as possible and avoids the mod abuse. Even if that brings us some discomfort.

I know support is usually quiet and complaints are voiced. As such I just wanted to voice my support. Thank you.

[–] Blaze@reddthat.com 3 points 6 months ago

Thanks!

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Can I have my community back, please?

https://lemm.ee/post/31540584

[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Thank you!

[–] exocrinous@startrek.website -2 points 6 months ago

Hey, so is abuse of the modlog by admins and mods on remote instances going to lead to defederation?