‘The machine did it coldly’: Israel used AI to identify 37,000 Hamas targets : technology

[–] hark@lemmy.world 58 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The machine didn't do anything. They built a targeting "AI" that is trained on bullshit data, which likely doesn't distinguish between Hamas targets and civilians, but it's ultimately these genocidal bastards who decide when to kill and they choose to do so far more often than not. They're throwing the "AI" buzzword in to add a layer of abstraction between themselves and the genocide they're perpetrating.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago

And knowing some Israelis, people to say this know full well what they are doing, just think everybody else is either a bastard or an idiot.

It's a real cultural problem, they have a very simplistic society in terms of discussing politics and morality, seems like some small town, only it's a country of 8 million.

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 55 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Human life dictated by a machine on who to kill. You need to be so fucking cold and evil to be okay with this.

Not only is it heinous it’s also obvious this is just a testing ground for it. Think about it, a testing ground that the test is how many you can kill using AI. We need an amendment to the Geneva convention

[–] nutt_goblin@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Seconded as gaza being a testing ground for oppressive techniques and technologies!

[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Even if you got US and Israel to sign it, Russia, China and The Saudis would never.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Who do you think is selling this capability to Israel? Hint: it's not the Saudis.

[–] mindlight@lemm.ee 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I actually have no idea who sold what in this case and it's actually not even remotely relevant since the discussion was about updating the Geneva convention and who wouldn't sign.

However, you seem to imply that Israel lacks the knowledge and resources to create the Lavender system themselves. Intriguing! Please elaborate with some links supporting your claims.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 3 points 7 months ago

Nah mate, I'm quietly suggesting that the US arms Israel to the teeth to preserve US interests, influence, and economic strength. They ain't going to do anything that rocks that boat.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 50 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Ai is trained on input data, and if their input data is on past idf strikes then it's no fucking wonder they've killed so many journalists.

[–] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

this probably wasn't supposed to be funny but holy shit lol

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Input data was literally just a map of Gaza

[–] caoimhinr@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The AI in question: targets.forEach(target => target.isHamas = true);

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 6 points 7 months ago

ClassCastException: Cannot cast null to Boolean

Beep boop beep. Wirrrr. Targeting backup test data due to failure in main subroutine. Target acquired.

targets.add(civilians).add(aid workers).add(journalists)

Brrr beeep boop bop

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Wasn't JavaScript evil enough?

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

International law, who needs it I guess? Seems to me like Israel doesn't need allies.

[+] sugarfree@lemmy.world -22 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Speaking of "international law", what uniform do Hamas fighters wear?

[–] Waggles@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

Right so because they aren't obvious in a crowd it's better to murder the whole crowd? Are kids Hamas? Cuz there's a whole lot of murdered kids on Israel's hands.

Sound logic my guy

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Apparently world central kitchen uniforms you fucking monster.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This justifies genocide in your mind?

[+] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee -6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You'll soon see that nuance is dead on Lemmy. Hamas indubitably commits war crimes en masse, as does the IDF, but morons will only ever excuse those of Hamas, rather than condemning both sets of actions.

[–] ___@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think nuance goes out the door when tens of thousands of innocent civilians are butchered in the name of defense. Hamas is bad, that doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions.

[–] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't agree. Neither the IDF nor Hamas fall under Geneva Convention (GC) protections because both have brazenly and repeatedly contravened it, thus excluding themselves under the GC's own stipulations. They are both doing sick shit and are both lending more fuel to each other's propaganda fires.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Oh so human rights just end when some armed folks feel like and that's all fine and dandy?

And why ought Palestinian civilians be subjected to the disregard of human rights that the IDF and even Hamas have? Sounds like you are thinking of the Palestinian people as interchangeable with Hamas, such as the people may be punished by their acts and they can't complain about it.

You speak of nuance but if anything you are erasing nuance. "Both sides bad so it's all fair". Nevermind relative civilian death tolls, infrastructure and household damage. Nevermind the whole history of this conflict going back decades.

[–] qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely not, but when you insist on putting words in my mouth and then arguing with that straw man, there is little use in arguing. You are here to hold forth, not discuss.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Cool evasion bro. You're sure dedicated to the nuance you are calling dead.

[–] BetaDoggo_@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

I'm sure the machine running it was quite warm actually.

[–] Cryan24@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

So they built skynet?

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 4 points 7 months ago

Don't disrespect Skynet by comparing it with our trash pattern-storing-and-matching "AI". It figured out time travel all on it's own after all.

[–] DeathbringerThoctar@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Sounds more like Project Insight to me

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 3 points 7 months ago

The AI was just RNG applied to a census.

[–] rikonium@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 months ago

Woo hoo, Weapons of Math Destruction meet Weapons of Mass Destruction. (good book by the way)

[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago

The purpose of a system is what it does

According to the cybernetician, the purpose of a system is what it does. This is a basic dictum. It stands for bald fact, which makes a better starting point in seeking understanding than the familiar attributions of good intention, prejudices about expectations, moral judgment, or sheer ignorance of circumstances.

The AI is "supposed" to identify targets, but in reality, the system's purpose is to justify indiscriminate murder.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

1% of which was just a bowl of guacamole.

[–] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It looks like they tried "kill all the poor".

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[+] zerog_bandit@lemmy.world -14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It sounds sinister until you remember that Hamas wipes it's ass with the Geneva convention and regularly disguises fighters as civilians.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Go back to reddit, Hasbara.

[–] Reptorian@lemmy.zip 3 points 7 months ago

This. I hope no one supports Hamas here, but certainly almost no one supports either Hamas or IDF.

[+] sugarfree@lemmy.world -19 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Being a terrorist should be incredibly dangerous. Terrorists shouldn't feel safe anywhere, especially not at home. No sympathy from me.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Yes, because, they are doing a great job separating them from everyone else.

[–] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

The vast majority killed aren't terrorists. Just yesterday, Israel killed seven World Kitchen humanitarian aid workers in their World Kitchen labeled cars that were authorized by Israel to be there. Three cars, targeted one after another, all bombed. The tops of the cars had the logo so they wouldn't be bombed.

The IDF is a terrorist organization

[–] Meansalladknifehands@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago

No one cares about Hamas. People care about the extreme civilian suffering, you tool.

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

This is pure insanity, but at least I can see the kind of insane thinking that allowed Germans to live their comfortable lives just a few kilometers away from concentration camps. When you say "Hamas is from Palestine, therefore Palestine is a target" and you manage to convince yourself that infant civilians are an acceptable casualty then you are no better.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 months ago

Israel is a terrorist state, allied to Azerbaijan, a terrorist state, both openly engaging in terrorist activities. Yet their soldiers and other state agents feel themselves very safe.

Considering that, what Hamas did was horrible, but no Israeli has the right to complain. If Israelis want to have human rights, they shouldn't be complicit and approving of genocide.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. Israeli "Defence" Forces soldiers should not feel safe anywhere, hence the endless resistance from Palestinians.

[–] sugarfree@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

That's going so well for them.

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