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What does the casualty count matter to Russia? Hidden or not, if human life has little to no value compared to land and glory - the calculus of cruelty will keep grinding on. (nationalsecurityjournal.org)
submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by TwinkleToes@lemmy.ca to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz
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There's no evidence at all that the Putin regmine is even slightly moved by casualty numbers. Indeed - their losses may well be part of the plan - an expected and accepted trade-off. It's not stated enough how internal ethnic cleansing of trading useless mouths for prime ukrainain lands and population is a perfectly logical conclusion. If you're a completely depraved petromafia gangster ghoul...numbers mean nothing unless you're talking about money and sq. km of stolen land. The numbers shock some people, but pretending the Kremlin cares is like throwing ice cubes at the sun.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

But it won't stop because of casulaty figures.

My argument is specifically that Putin not valuing the lives of his people actually rapidly decreases the ability of Russia to sustain war, far more than if Putin actually visibly valued the lives of his soldiers and Russia had actually bothered to make armored vehicles and tanks that don't suck so much that Russian infantry prefers to just ride on top of them rather then risk going inside a deathtrap anywhere near battle.

What I am saying is that for Putin there is no number of casualties that will be too much, but that doesn't mean that for the effective war effort of Russia there isn't a number of casualties that will be too much, there most definitely is. I don't know what the consequences of that will be, I am not an expert on Russia, but the simple reality is that no matter what Putin thinks there is a limit and the more Putin throws away soldiers carelessly the faster Russia races towards that limit wherever it may be.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'd like to add: Almost all Russians think the same as Putin regarding what is a number of casualties that will be too much. To the question "what is a number of casualities that makes you think the war is a bad thing instead something that hurts but will bring glory?", their answer is: "There is no such number. Our leader will [read: should] only stop once we reach victory!"

But, they do care about a certain other thing: a number of casualties exists that will be too much for people to want to let their children be forced to the front.

They will not stop supporting the war no matter what the casualties, but they will stop going to the front once the casualities have reached their target number. And that will of course end the war.

Also, there's another relevant number: How many percents of your salary is bread allowed to cost before you start opposing the war. This has to do with the death toll, because the more deaths, the more salary must paid to each soldier, and the more the other industries have to increase their salaries in order to remain in competition for the workforce.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

No matter what anyone claims, almost everyone is against war once it truly touches them, war is awful.

[–] TwinkleToes@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Understood, thanks. And hopefully there is someone internal who wants to succeed him while there's still a functional nation state to rule over.

I don't really buy the "but - but - then someone WORSE will come along!".

Worse than the genocide, corrosive fuckery and populist poison that's going on now? A shrill, thrashing mafia butcher who enables death and mayhem across the world, poisons the planet in every way possible and threatens nuclear armageddon like it's a bodily function, and you're not willing to see what 'new leadership' might look like?

These people, from The Great Goblin himself on down, are pure evil. Best case - he dies, unnaturally and soon - and Russia collapses into fueding ethno corporate fiefdoms too individually weak to maintain a nuclear arsenal, who spend their time fighting each other instead of shitting hot cancerous diarrhea in every direction.

[–] doo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Guys, I really enjoyed your conversation. Deep, insightful and respectful. Given a chance, I'll buy you a beer.