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In mid-2025, military sources in Vietnam began circulating unconfirmed rumors that new multi-billion-dollar contracts with Russia were imminent.

Documents from Rostec identify Vietnam under the discreet label “Customer 704.” According to the sources and those documents, one deal could be worth ~$8 billion and include up to 40 new fighter jets.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Man you're talking out of your ass. I've been visiting Vietnam for over 10 years now, I live in SEA and have many Vietnamese friends with whom we discuss world politics and here you are saying that Vietnam and China has no tensions in the South China Sea when that's by far the #1 geopolitical issue in the region.

Not even going to entertain your walls of nonsense anymore as you're just building strawmen and attacking me. Get lost troll.

[–] commander@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You've been attacking me. I'm not saying there's not tensions. I'm saying the tensions are cooling. Probably heat up again in the future but it's not 2015. A lot has changed just this year in terms of governmental agreements between the two countries

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just curious. Where do you live that your information is somehow better than OP?

[–] commander@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/vietnam-defense-and-security-sector

Data from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) shows that from 1995 to 2022, Vietnam’s arms imports totaled USD9.162 billion, in which Russia accounted for USD7.471 billion (81.5%).

https://news.tuoitre.vn/video/chinese-soldiers-sing-tribute-song-to-late-vietnamese-leader-ho-chi-minh-during-hanoi-parade-rehearsal-3308.htm

https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/chinese-troops-to-join-vietnam-s-80th-national-day-parade-4930586.html

https://vietnamnews.vn/politics-laws/1722397/viet-nam-china-conclude-first-joint-military-training-exercise.html

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/econographics/sinographs/china-and-the-us-both-want-to-friendshore-in-vietnam/

https://www.diplomacy.edu/blog/the-art-of-bending-without-breaking-vietnams-quiet-power-play/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/23/us-lifts-decades-long-embargo-on-arms-sales-to-vietnam

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/04/world/opening-vietnam-clinton-drops-19-year-ban-us-trade-with-vietnam-cites-hanoi-s.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_strategic_partnerships_of_Vietnam

https://www.reuters.com/world/chinas-xi-visits-vietnam-after-biden-seeks-boost-ties-2023-12-12/

https://vietnamnews.vn/economy/1728310/viet-nam-china-trade-poised-for-new-record-in-2025.html

https://en.nhandan.vn/viet-nam-china-strengthen-bilateral-trade-cooperation-post154650.html

https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/vietnam-continues-four-nos-defense-policy-4637076.html

I will not answer what country I'm from. Same way I don't expect most Americans to understand their country's foreign policy, I don't expect that of pretty much any country's people. This person has given me no reason to believe they have much knowledge of Vietnamese politics let alone historical if they think friendly relations between Vietnam and Russia and Russian arm sales to Vietnam is going to cause some social unrest in Vietnam.

I don't rely on my friends in France to tell me the foreign policy leanings of France. Not Germany, not Spain, not Australia. People generally don't follow politics beyond their bubble of information. It's not their job. The guys whole arguments are just he travels to a country and get's the feels from his friends.

If I based my whole understanding of nations on the people I'm friends with, every country in the world would be composed of leftist and filled with scientist and filmmakers. National Rally wouldn't be rising in France. AFD wouldn't be rising in Germany. The UK wouldn't have anti-immigration rallies attended by over 100k people. Turkey and India wouldn't have purchased S400 systems. Egypt wouldn't have HQ-9B. Decades of diplomacy and outside of India and Pakistan people keep being surprised by the warmer relations that the US has with Pakistan over India. Friends are an ignorant way to determine the operations of a country. My friends are a bubble

China sells military jets to Bangladesh, Myanmar, Indonesia. They've sold naval vessels to Thailand. China's navy appears to have a significant presence in Cambodia with frequent extended dockings. It's a rapidly changing region of the world for foreign policy currently.

I didn't push on what the cultural differences between Vietnam and China are that make relations difficult anymore than like the Phillipines which is what I would guess is the person being from stemming from their interest in the disputed South China Sea. Tensions in the South China Sea exist but from my view, that takes a backseat to economic oppurtunity. It'll take a backseat to global warming and issues with their coastlines and weather patterns. Money and industrial capabilities is going to be incredibly important to deal with global warming in that region and that will factor into what Vietnam or the Phillipines can afford to do in the future for the disputed islands. I'll even avoid the linguistic approach as I know depending on the political leaning of a Viet person you are talking to, it can be a touchy subject in regards to nationalism and pedagogical policy.

The history of China and Vietnam is very long. There's a famous historical Chinese general thousands of years ago that also happens to be a famous northern Vietnamese general. It's a very long history. Many wars. About a millennium in total of the northern part of Vietnam being a part of China though not continuous. Many successful independence wars. Historic vietnam and historic china relations stretches back to the neolithic age. There's syncretism that stretches back thousands of years before even getting to modern governmental structure, holidays, traditions, religions, music/instruments, film, clothing, cuisine, ... etc. It's not so simple as "Vietnamese people hate Chinese people." A lot more nuanced than that and a lot of migration over the millenniums though even limited to the last century that make the claims I hear of that a bit ridiculous. For the handful that actually have strong broad opinions on Chinese people from Vietnamese people, there's a solid chance they may have a differing opinion on Chinese from the north vs the south of the country. Same with the simple takes I hear in regards to China, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan relations and what they will all certainly do to each other in the future

Non-alignment is difficult to comprehend when living in countries fully embracing of the diplomatic polar world but for Vietnam there's a famous song from the unification war era. This is the rendition I'm familiar with. All that matters is independence. Vietnam is not only an ally of any or combination of the US, China, or Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0h2YgM9KRk

Vietnam's non-alignment is possibly more impressive than Pakistans since Vietnams economy has come out as a lot more robust while playing every major side. While it's in a period of industrialization making parts of the country having poor air quality to support manufacturing for export to countries like the US, the cities are very clean as compared to like Bengaluru, city in another non-aligned country, India.


On the point of US-China-Taiwan and RAND Corp

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA4107-1.html

It's a very interesting progression of RAND Corp's suggestions compared to their history of opinions. If you're unaware of RAND Corp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAND_Corporation

One interesting field to study is trying to understand the whys for the difference between Vietnam's international relations compared to Japan, Taiwan, and Korean peninsula. They all share so much cultural traditions. China has more history of control over Vietnam than Taiwan so why far far more tension there than Vietnam. Far more history with Vietnam in general. A much longer history with Vietnam than with Japan but internationally people don't think of relations of Vietnam with China like they think of Japan and China. And even that Japan/China relation is a lot more nuanced than most of my friends anywhere in the world would believe. Even the Taiwan/China discussion is a lot more nuanced in Taiwan than outside. It should be. In the event of war, they're the ones that would suffer the most casualties and loss of infrastructure and potentially water import issues