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If a real working class party includes these people I’d rather watch the world burn in hellfire
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this post was submitted on 22 Oct 2025
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Some of the most effective and fervent leftist organizers I've ever met were former military members. Most of these guys were kids from underprivileged and undereducated communities when they joined the military and has never been introduced to concepts like class consciousness untill after the military used and abused them.
Pretty much every effective militant revolution in history were founded or led by a group of former military members. If we cannot accept that people can and will change their minds when exposed to the truth, then what is the point of leftist organizing in the first place?
Leftist claiming to be revolutionaries who then reject the idea that people can change is oxymoronic and counterrevolutionary. Leftists are converted not created, and we cannot afford to reject the willing, able, and capable. Do they have a debt to society? Yes, but they often know this better than anyone, and will work harder than most to pay it off.
I'm not American and I don't live in America. The leftist revolution where I live will involve going to war with America and Americans. I'm not against all military members, I am against American military members. I hate America and the American military for what they did to Iraq. I will never have solidarity with the people thatremovedd and pillaged the Iraqi side of my family. I hate all the people who were a part of it and I hope they all burn in hell forever. I don't care if they "change", I don't believe that any Americans living in the imperial core will ever cast away their labor aristocracy to become leftists. Fuck them forever.
Right, but blind nationalist based hate for someone who also disagrees and fights against empiricists after a realization of class consciousness makes no sense. Class solidarity transcends nationalist sentiment.
Eh, I guess we just ideologically disagree with each other. My family had to immigrate after America ravaged and occupied their land, and I don't equate all American citizens with the crimes of the nation. But I guess everyone deals with their pain differently.
The christcuck you are defending is so class conscious and anti-imperialist that he couldn't even bring himself to apologize for genocide minimization anonymously on hexbear.net when someone whose family were attacked by his genocidal buddies expressed their rightful anger. Americans should start proving third worldists wrong whenever they say stuff like "I don't believe that any Americans living in the imperial core will ever cast away their labor aristocracy to become leftists. Fuck them forever." instead of having a whinge about why its akshually not ok/correct/"class conscious" to say things like that etc.