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Rafie Ollah Shouhed, 79, suffered multiple broken ribs, elbow injuries and a traumatic brain injury during the Sept. 9 incident, according to the federal tort claim filed by his attorneys.

According to his claim, when Shouhed attempted to show agents proof of his employees' work authorization, agents "cursed at him" and "violently body-slammed him onto the pavement." Three agents then allegedly pinned him down, with one placing a knee on his neck, the claim stated.

"You don't f--- with ICE. We are here," agents responded, according to the claim.

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[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (5 children)

You're just here to argue, or because you like the sound of your own (ignorant) words.

[–] Link@feddit.nl 0 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, why be charitable. I'm obviously just a pretentious asshole because I seemingly disagree with everyone here.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Charity is fine for purely performative exercises, but it's now to the point where these arguments and discussions have real bearing on people's ability to live and survive. The basis of charity is that both parties must fundamentally agrees that the other side is human, and that is not the situation when discussing fascism or white nationalism.

The choice to not fight now is the choice to sacrifice people without the privilege of a racial, gender, or immigration status which is preferable to a white nationalist ethnostate. Maybe you have that privilege or maybe I have that privilege: but the difference between us is that I'm willing to sacrifice my privilege to fight for those who aren't afforded the same courtesy a despicable fascist might afford me, simply based on their assumptions around my skin or gender identity.

You wanting to police the use of violence until it's too late for that violence is something fascists are fully aware of, and which they have historically been able to manipulate to their advantage. If every time a fascist stuck their head up above the sand, it got cut off, there would be no basis for this conversation.

[–] Link@feddit.nl -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

May I ask you what kind of violence you are already partaking in and condoning? Is it resistence to ICE, which I can sympathize with, or also stuff like the killing of Kirk? Because I think the latter is a really bad idea.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

No, you may not. You should stick to the discussion at hand instead of trying to derail it into something it isn't and deal with the obvious and substantial issues with the argument you've taken.

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