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Real question:
Anyone know which phone brands/manufactures are made 100% in China for Chinese population consumption primarily and 1) work in NA and 2) are easily set to English as the UI language?
I figure it may be better to just accept whatever possibility of backdoors Chinese intelligence may build into their electronics as opposed to western (mainly Israeli and US) intelligence backdoors.
I've seen some brand recommendations in the past but figured some of you nerds might have some knowledge on such things. My understanding is it's sometimes difficult to get the phones connected on NA (US) providers.
Maybe look into a Pixel and install GrapheneOS. It's not Chinese, but still a good compromise I think.
I'd say try a fairphone with lineageOS degoogled. It's private & with driver support for ages edit: i havent had it but itll probably work
Not recommended. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private
ah, got it. is there a private rom that works on a fairphone? (ik lineageos might do that, it can be degoogled lineage degoogled
Private? Sort of. Secure? No, and obviously if you're hacked it's not gonna be private either. Please stay far away from Fairphone. They may be good for sustainability reasons but they can't get their act together when it comes to making their devices even remotely secure. Not just that, they make a bunch of false promises about it.
Stay far away from LineageOS as well since you can't even relock the bootloader and establish secure boot.
Seriously though, simply put, anything other than an iPhone or a Pixel running GrapheneOS is a train wreck from a security standpoint. Samsung flagship phones technically rank third but it's a distant third. Keep in mind the vast majority of custom Android operating systems (they are not ROMs) will actually make things even worse.
I'm looking for alternatives from the pixel drivers being removed from the AOSP.
GrapheneOS will still be able to provide support. Google is making it more difficult but nothing that can't be worked around.
I mean, yes, but its more worrying like about 10+. I run grapheneos also.
You can read about their progress on the Pixel 10 here: https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/25099-pixel-10-still-too-early-to-ask-us-when-it-will-be-supported
It will likely be supported, it just might take a while.
ok, i'm just a bit worried on it asto if itll ever be supported.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: