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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Ehhhhh, I followed that Kamala Harris controversy blow-for-blow and they got absolutely dogpiled for

  1. Pointing out that Liberal content creators took pay without disclosing (this kicked the whole thing off)
  2. Pronouncing Kamala wrong
  3. Pointing out that Angela Davis was not a member of the Black Panthers, but was strongly aligned with them on many issues.

For the latter two, they were accused of racism. People said they were microagressing for saying Kamala's name wrong, and the moment it was pointed out to them, they apologized and said it properly from then on. Nonetheless, Pendleton was accused of doublong down on thos point. I was deeply online about this unfolding drama and read a LOT of comments. IMO this was an honest mistake.

Angela Davis has explicity said she wasn't a Black Panther in interviews and a whole narrative built around the fact that Angela Davis definitely was and that Pendleton was lying about black history.

You have to understand that there was an entire set of persistent and relentless talking points on these and LiberalTok went in hard after them on points that were verifiably false.

They dug out narratives about their business and personal life that thry meticulously debunked with documentation and citation. Pendleton would ask people for any evidence of the outright insane claims that were going around and they would ghost. Every time.

I watched hundreds of videos and read thousands of comments on this. There was a lot of bullshit going around.

As for the first point, she was correct about the liberal content creators. People accused Pendleton of telling people not to vpte for Kamala including this article, but they only ever seemed to say that they, personally were not going to do it.

The article you posted is crazy long and tbh a bit rambling. I didnt read the whole thing. but early on I was already seeing debunked talking points, including that they "had a black woman problem," that tons of black leftist women creators on tiktok absolutely disagreed with, and that only liberal creators seemed to believe.

TL;DR Liberals didn't like Madeline and, including black women liberals, and a ton of KHivers got high on the "I'm speaking" rhetoric that insisted that it was bad form to ever talk back to black liberal women (a courtesy that those same liberals never extended to the prominent black creators that defended Pendleton)

[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I think you know way more about it than me, I didn't follow it that closely, but my takeaway perception was different

ton of KHivers got high on the "I'm speaking" rhetoric that insisted that it was bad form to ever talk back to black liberal women

I didn't get that vibe, so from where I'm at that feels like a bit of a meme or stereotype, but maybe there are creators who leaned into that. From the creators I followed, it was basically just, "please except that your whiteness means ignorance of what it's really like for BIPOC in America".

Pendleton would ask people for any evidence of the outright insane claims that were going around and they would ghost. Every time.

I saw a lot of responses. I saw some debunked and some ignored. I saw Pendleton blocking people, I saw evidence of Pendleton deleting some of their own videos to preserve their image. I saw Pendleton making very low-blow attacks trying to discredit their critics by questioning their mental wellness (this is Nazi af). Pendleton is obsessed with curating their social media image, they do frequently double down and rarely admit to an l. No saints here, Pendleton and LiberalTok were fighting in the mud together.

As for the first point, she was correct about the liberal content creators. People accused Pendleton of telling people not to vpte for Kamala including this article, but they only ever seemed to say that they, personally were not going to do it.

It wasn't just that, Pendleton spent far, far more time going after Kamala than Trump (to this day, still seems to talk about Kamala more than President Trump when it comes to the genocide in Gaza). I think there's reasons both good and bad that leftists will spend more attention punching up to liberals than conservatives or outright fascists, but even with the right intentions, there are real-life consequences affecting immigrants, trans people, and BIPOC. As far as I can tell, Pendleton is experiencing no material struggle in Trump's America; I know plenty of people who are, much worse than a year ago.

None of this at all to detract from Pendleton has many great takes and informative videos and is doing good work spreading awareness about leftist theory and debunking Western propoganda. I'm being very disproportionately critical here, and that can make anyone look bad.

Just be mindful, that's my only point. Nobody is perfect, everyone has their blind spots.

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

please except that your whiteness means ignorance of what it's really like for BIPOC in America".

They do this all the time, which is why they link to black leftist creators on tiktok. They have blind spots and that one in particular they are quick to own up to

[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I haven't seen it, except when they promoted CJ, and basically just said, "everything he says is right, if he ever tells me I'm wrong then I'll sit down and shut up and listen and you should too". Which is... a very weird way to go about promoting someone. It doesn't feel organic, it feels like trying way to hard to "I have a black friend". Like when they made a big deal about promoting their one black employee.

And at that point CJ was already going viral on his own. There's lots of tiny creators who would benefit so much from promotion, why promote the viral already popular creator?

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

She's put out lists of smaller creators. Can't say about recently, but last year she promoted a number of smaller creators repeatedly

[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 1 points 3 days ago

That's awesome, that definitely makes me view them more positively and I wish they did that more frequently.

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