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[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

How is anti lgbt sentiment anti Christian? It's very Christian.

[–] 520@kbin.social 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Jesus talked very little about LGBT and a lot more about not forcing your beliefs onto other and not being a dick to people simply because they do things differently from you.

Not to mention that their stance on God hating gays is literal blasphemy, because again, there isn't much said about being gay by Jesus

[–] finkrat@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

To add on, the parable of The Good Samaritan also highlights his opinions on how Christians should treat people that are of a different, "reviled" culture than their own (Samaria in the story) by defining who a "neighbor" is and emphasis on loving your neighbor as yourself.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 11 months ago

People do some wild backflips to try to wriggle out of accepting the good Samaritan story. They'll say it's an elaborate metaphorically for blah blah instead of a simple story that shows the point in plain text.

But a lot of alleged christians don't really follow the texts. Don't pray in the closet. Don't treat the least among them well.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most things Christians believe have absolutely zero to do with Jesus. It's a big book.

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

That's like saying most of the things people like about Lord of the Rings has nothing to do with Frodo, no shit, but he's still the main character.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Jesus as far as I know didn't address homosexuality at all in the gospels.

Yet there's the OT to contend with. You can find passages that, at least in English translations, condemn homosexual acts. Find a concordance and search for homosexuality and Bob's your uncle. And there are quite a few "sexual morality" statements in the NT. (Does that include homosexuality? No idea).

And there's also the rest of the NT to deal with. Believers are commanded to proselytize. And not just once or twice. That isn't forcing your beliefs on others but it is definitely not being quiet and keeping to yourself either.

There are also many passages in OT and NT that condemn those who "do things differently". Christianity is not necessarily a "live and let live religion" looking at those passages. It is often more of a "my way or the highway (to hell...)" kind of thing per most common denominations (but not all).

You may think you have an accurate interpretation but there are many others who say the same thing about their own unique interpretations that differ from yours in various ways.

[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

From the modern viewpoint of secularists, sure it is. But if we take the values or Christianity on face value, they don't say that.

The fact that so many Christians are hateful towards LGBT+ does present a difficult bind though: is true Christianity the writ values, or the modern zeitgeist? The pope himself ran into this very question recently when he started firing Catholic priests for not towing the progressive line that he has drawn. Who is right, the pope or his flock?

(Also, see the great answer that someone gave on No True Scotsman in this same comment tree)

[–] TallonMetroid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

In the case of the Catholics, at least, the doctrine of papal infallibility decrees that, at least on paper, the Pope as the successor to Peter and Paul is always correct on matters of doctrine. In practice, if the flock disagrees they can always schism again. shrugs