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What about prohibition?

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[–] Des@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (33 children)

honestly there's just better buzzes out there with less side effects, especially for social fun

  • cannabis (not quite the same, but great social lubricant if everyone starts sober and gets high together)

  • kratom (more medical utility but can be fun for outdoor adventures in groups. starts as a stim and ends with some sleepiness, so plan properly) (DISCLAIMER: not recommended for experimentation but has current and historical uses as an alcohol alternative) for more info check out layla's guide

  • kava (basically IRL synthahol from star trek. dials right in to the 1-2 drink buzz with no risk of further. downside is reverse tolerance and doesn't work for everyone)

  • some kind of GABA-B substance (more risky since most are research chems (F-phenibut comes to mind), often very long lasting, but all the inhibition of alcohol without being drunk and hard to black out on unlike GHB agonists).

(all have a risk of addiction as any substance but comedowns/withdrawals are significantly less then alcohol, as well as not being potentially lethal. also OD risk is either physically impossible or extremely difficult)

[–] BigWeed@hexbear.net 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (14 children)

kratom

I don't know how to say this nicely. Don't do kratom unless you're already an opioid addict and you need to come off. It's not a safe drug to experiment with recreationally because it's so easy to get addicted to. I'm a heavy drug user and promote experimenting with drugs except for opioids (and kratom) because of how many people I've seen absolutely ruin their lives on it.

[–] the_robot_from_planet_danger@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Have you really seen people ruin their lives from just kratom use?

[–] BigWeed@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not kratom in isolation. But if there is one drug that I'd say to not fuck around with it's opioid and opioid-like analgesics. I have some friends who have been struggling for the past 15 years to get off of opioids, and many who didn't make it. No other drug category has contributed more to decimating my friend group.

I worked in addiction treatment and harm reduction. The demons who took your friends from you will not stop until as many people are dead as possible. It is class warfare imo. Wish you and your friends well comrade.

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