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Proletarization? So in your view, making art is not productive labor? I am talking about normal-ass people that make ends meet by doing art for other people that pay them to do it. Who are you imagining does most of the art you see out there?
Also, if you think that AI companies will defeat copyright, I have a bridge to sell you. The current lawsuits etc. will neither end copyright, nor will they end AI companies. These entities will come to an agreement where one gets rent from the other, copyright law will not change meaningfully, except to fuck over normal people ever the harder. Siding with capital against capital never ever works. They know who they are and who isn't in the club.
This is why I am on team Fuck Ai, shut it all down. Is that pie in the sky? Yea sure. But so is your idea of the left siding with OpenAI to defeat Disney and that somehow ending well for the left.
Art produced for a wage, for a capitalist, is productive labour. Art produced by an individual sold as commissions is not productive, I.e it produces no surplus value, the artist is paid the full value of their labour by the commissioner.
The artist hired by a capitalist already doesn't own the outputs of their labour, and never has. Quit moralising and go and read a book.
It's Marx's logic actually.
You fundamentally misunderstand. If a wage worker is paid the exchange value of labour-power I.e the cost to reproduce themselves, at the behest of a capitalist (the work could be in the service sector, like a chef, an artist; it could also be a plumber, and they could ultimately be doing work for consumers like other workers), they produce more value than they are paid for I.e. they produce surplus value.
A self-employed plumber or a live-in chef working directly for someone with no capitalist middleman, or an artist working for commissions do not produce surplus value. They sell the final product of their labour, not their labour itself, and they charge the going market rate for the product of their labour, not the going market rate for their labour-power by the hour.
An artist can be proletarian or petit-bourgeois. A chef can also be either, as can a plumber.
Your time would be better spent reading and studying Capital than professing your shoddy home-baked anti-capitalism online.
Yeah turns out, (pretty much) everyone disagreeing with me doesn't know how to do a class analysis. I thought the opinion was going to be an argument for collaboration with creative PB, not just a complete incomprehension that artists benefitting from copyright are definitionally benefitting as PB