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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (27 children)

The west has always declared China the opponent and they’ll take China on when they finish their other conflicts like Russia.

Always? Citation needed. After COVID, maybe? Or did it start with tramp in 2016, maybe sooner at the 2008 olympics? Certainly in 1993 that was not the case when China entered the WTO.

And of course: nearly nobody in the EU wanted to fight russia or spend more on defense until forced to open their eyes on russia's reinvasion of Ukraine in 2022.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (20 children)

At least since Obama.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_foreign_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration

Here's an EU based article saying that really it's been happening since Clinton.

https://ecpr.eu/Events/Event/PaperDetails/25139

Always as in before anyone currently in power was in power.

Now, China is just saying what your thinking. If EU isn't supporting USA on this, we can talk. Otherwise what do we gain from not keeping Russia afloat?

Edit btw the point of all of this is China is literally telling the EU how to stop the war. Turn on the US

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (19 children)

Yeah, the 1st paper is from 2015, that's after the Hong Kong protests, when it was finally clear that China was going to stamp out democracy in Hong Kong and Xi Jinping's new Wolf Warrior diplomacy. Excuse us for being...unimpressed.

Eh, but I'm not making any predictions, but if russia implodes by repeatedly hitting their head against a wall, you're cleaning up that mess, not us, he's your drunken psychotic friend now. We already got plenty scalded trying to rehab them and getting blamed for everything that went wrong.

[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The crackdown on the George Floyd protests was far more violent and deadly. You can't point at China when your own house is a mess.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes any talk about democractic reason to stop China is stupid considering they "NATO allies" are committing a full blown genocide in Gaza.

In reality China is a natural threat to wealthy people in the west because they have the population and the technology to: 1) fight any attempt to be exploited , 2) Exploit other countries.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There are wealthy people in China too (and a disgusting cult of wealth to go with it to make any communist nauseous or any oligarch envious) and they're obedient little piggies, just like those idiots at tramp's inauguration

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