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US ambassador to Israel says US no longer pursuing goal of independent Palestinian state
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 10 Jun 2025
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Biden did not order the attacks, stop spreading bullshit. This is solely on Israel.
Think a bit before talking. If i give an arm to someone knowing exactly that he will kill domeone then i am complicit with thr crime of murder. Same with biden and trump
Problem: That's not why Biden armed Israel.
Biden armed Israel under the belief that they would use the weapons for legitimate defense, specifically against Iran. That's a naive assumption, but it was done in good faith.
Netanyahu then illegally used the weapons offensively. Apparently nobody has the balls to call him out on it.
Again iran do not want to attack the usa. The usa is the one who want to . The united state been the biggest agressor and bully at least for 50 years.
Your country has no ligitimate defence
We aren't talking about Iran wanting to attack the US, they want to (and repeatedly have) attacked Israel, which is why Biden was supporting Israel.
Ok sorry for misreading you.
Why biden should protect a state occupying palestinian for 57 years? Why do you agree with biden being complicit?
Biden support israel for the usa imperialism and ideology
Because following the holocaust the world decided that everyone owed the Jewish people a homeland and the US was a key player in a) ending the holocaust and b) making Israel happen.
No US President is going to turn their back on that. Biden did not do anything different than every other president in the past 70 years.
thats not true, israel was born out of nazi collaboration and terrorism.
Palestinians has nothing to do the holocaust. Actually 13k Palestinians volunteered to fight nazi Germany. Maybe the united state should has offer some land to zionists to create it's state .
I don't give a damn, every single president who defended israeli occupation is a war criminal and should be held accountable
I never said they did, they didn't enter into the equation at all at the time. The world decided to give Jewish people a homeland and they picked (then) Palestine.
Things could have gone a lot differently otherwise, very fun speculative novel based on the idea of giving them Sitka, Alaska instead:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yiddish_Policemen%27s_Union
You are also forgetting Bibi's father in the Irgun and is involvement with the Stern gang. The Likud being a rebranding of the group
Most of the world didn't decide this and more importanly the local population refused
At that point, following the holocaust, it didn't matter what the locals wanted, it was imposed on them regardless.
So you agree that the support for Israel since the beginning was wrong right?
Support for Israel was not. Supporting Israel at the expense of any other people was.
Bro that's the whole history of israel. Israel should have zero protection against anybody until they go back to pre 67 territory
The genocide would have been impossible without Biden.
Not without Netanyahu.
Absolutely false. Israel has been stockpiling weapons since the 40s and, depending on who you ask, is between the 8th and 10th largest weapons dealer in the world.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/267131/market-share-of-the-leadings-exporters-of-conventional-weapons/
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/03/13/us-top-weapons-exports-china-russia/
They do not need our help buying sniper bullets to kill kids.
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/t%C3%AAte-%C3%A0-t%C3%AAte/20241029-us-doctor-claims-israeli-snipers-target-child-in-gaza-no-child-gets-shot-twice-by-mistakea
They're willing and able to misuse the weapons we send them, they don't NEED to use the weapons we send them.
Proof: They started killing Palestinians on 10/7/2023 before we approved a single dime of aid much less sent any.
https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel
Emergency Aid and Wartime Procurement:
In September 2024, the U.S. secured an $8.7 billion aid package for Israel, including $3.5 billion for wartime procurement and $5.2 billion for air defense systems like Iron Dome and David's Sling.
In April 2024, Congress approved $14.3 billion in emergency military assistance and $9.2 billion for humanitarian aid, including support for Gazan civilians.
Paused Heavy Munitions Transfer: In May 2024, the Biden administration paused certain heavy munitions shipments pending Israel’s plans for operations in Rafah, where humanitarian concerns for displaced Palestinians were raised. This move reflected efforts to balance support for Israel with attention to humanitarian laws. The munitions transfer were later approved.
Why do they recieves billions if they do not need it. Israel economy would have crumbled if they didn't recieve as much aid
Because politicians need campaign contributions and unless they support Israel, that money not only dries up, but actively gets used against them.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/20/pro-israel-groups-gaza-us-elections
You basically admit that israel need american politicians to send thrm money and protect them diplomatically for any consequences. It's a win win for israel and the politicians.
Oh, no, they don't NEED the money, they WANT the money. :) Big difference.
Same as you or I would if we had our own lobbying firm.
I should say too... this is not unique to Israel. The American Military Industrial Complex is based on "Please give us lucrative contracts you don't need so we can spend money in red state communities that vote for you."
This is how we get billion dollar contracts for things we don't need, but can't be killed because of donations to the politicians.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/01/28/pentagon-tells-congress-to-stop-buying-equipment-it-doesnt-need.html
https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2025/04/army-made-tank-it-doesnt-need-and-cant-use-now-its-figuring-out-what-do-it/404877/
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2021/04/27/would-you-pay-1-7-trillion-for-a-plane-that-couldnt-fly/
Okay cool so you are saying Biden sent weapons to Israel despite Israel not needing them.
It is funny how Israel disagrees with you.
Biden sent weapons to Israel to defend against potential attacks from Iran, as is their right.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-us-prepared-israel-defend-iranian-attack/story?id=114393069
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rljzepw5yo
Israel then misappropriated the weapons for use in Gaza.
So you are conceding that the genocide would have been impossible if Biden did not supply Israel with weapons and admitting I am right.
Furthermore, can you cite where in your articles it says the bombs which Biden sent were meant to bomb Iran? And where did Biden put the condition that they were not allowed to be used for the genocide but only in case of escaltion with Iran?
Nope. Israel started the genocide before we sent them a dime of aid and will continue until every Palestinian is dead regardless of how little support we send them.
Like I say, sniper bullets are dirt cheap, they don't need our help killing kids.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war
Could Israel flatten all of Gaza with sniper bullets?
Have you seen any actual combat footage from Gaza which is not American F35 planes dropping 2000 pound bombs on tents? There is good reason Israel does not dare to do anything except bomb from the sky.
Love that his argument keeps going between Biden was just old and raised that way, he couldn't do anything since it was established usa policy, and it's just usa doing proxy war against Iran so of course they need to support the genocide.
All to keep Bidens image clean.
Nope, but they don't need to do that for a genocide either. It started when they began blocking food and medical supplies in the 90s.
Wow interesting you sure know a lot about history. Especially all the stuff which somehow makes it not Biden his fault that Israel was committing a full scale genocide which started during his term according to even Wikipedia.
Remind me who was advocating for Israel back in the 90s
US support for Israel didn't start in the 90s. Every US President has supported them since the 40s.
The most hilarous one was George W. Bush:
"We have to invade Iraq because they are in violation of 17 UN Resolutions!"
"Israel is in violation of over 80 of them in the West Bank and Gaza, it would be over 100 except for our resolution veto power, what about them?"
". . ."
The answer was Joe Biden in 1986
https://youtu.be/FYLNCcLfIkM
Iran don't want to attack the united statr. Thr united state does