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A lot of women/girls would be uncomfortable with having to share a bathroom with men/boys.
They can always stay home
Same argument that was made for gay people sharing locker rooms, bigots never get new material. If you're not comfortable sharing a bathroom with someone, then, ya know, you don't have to use it.
Why is it queer people have to suffer for bigotry? Why not just be less of a bigot?
A lot of people are uncomfortable with bigots leaving reddit and joining lemmy.
You put the handwashing station in an open area, visible to the hallway.
You put floor to cieling stalls for the actual doing your business part.
I have been to a lot of places that do this and nobody cares. It is an added level of safety that you are either in private or visible to passers by.
To be totally honest: I like the current divided setup for the purely selfish reason of the men's toilet being less occupied than the women's toilet at most places with a lot of people.
But that would mean that in average it would be a net benefit to use non divided ones, since then the empty stalls would be used.
You'd have to smooth that over with the people who have problems sharing bathrooms with the opposite sex and the businesses that have to build the infrastructure.
There are plenty of places where nobody cares, like campgrounds. But there are other places where people care a lot, like schools.
I just visited a high school that does exactly this, and no one cares.
In fact they like it better.
That's great.
Does that mean nobody cares anywhere else?
It's also impressive that such a consensus can be reached among dozens to hundreds of students. Not a single person cares? They all like it better?
There will always be somebody who doesn't like something. But you normalize things and then people adapt.
They like it better because they feel it is more private.
Nobody cares about washing their hands or fixing thier hair or whatever in front of others, and the appreciate that when they are doing the business part their is a completely private space.
You seem to be operating under the assumption that there is any context in which your interlocutor would accept trans people being treated like people.
Guess what? Trans women also don't feel comfortable using men's bathrooms or sharing bathrooms with men. Because trans women are women.
Wow, the mods literally banned this person for saying "That's your belief and you're entitled to it."
If that's not mod abuse to support an agenda, I don't know what is.
Maybe it's because trans women are women
Well, anyone who disagrees is banned so you don't really get to see different perspectives.
I guess it's all intentional. You don't want people discussing it because in your head the discussion is already done and you don't want anyone to disagree with a conclusion that you like. Pretty scummy, but that's to be expected.
There is no point debating with people whose views exist on the same side as the nazis currently occupying the US.
Because trans women are women.
So anyone who thinks trans women aren't the same as normal women are nazis?
It's the truth, not a belief.
Yeah, religious people say the same things.
Well unlike religion, science supports this truth. Decades of science and listening to trans people and their lived experiences.
Oh, are we banning Christians from bathrooms on the basis that you disagree with them? Maybe Muslims make you uncomfortable and you don't want them near women?
Sincerely, what is your argument here, "I don't believe you, so what you said is invalid it's a religion."? Trans women are women. I don't understand how that is a debate or why you think it's equivalent to some religion, it's an assertion of identity.
Can you be more civil?
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Lots of people think their beliefs are true even if they might not be. It's bigoted of you to think your beliefs are absolute fact while discrediting the beliefs of others.
Religious people use the same tactics to persecute those they disagree with.
Some people equate facts with belief. I can't help it if you have no ability to discern the difference. If you can, then I can't help that your beliefs make you hateful and willing to dismiss things you don't like as "beliefs".
Also...
Pot, meet kettle? Are you not doing this by your own logic?
Edit: Can't see your transphobic shit anymore, thank fuck. Trans women are women. Trans does not mean not. You wouldn't say "Cis women aren't women" just because "Cis" comes before "women".
A simple Google search shows that you're wrong.
Healthy, normal, sane, and regular are words people who want to control other people without feeling like they are trying to control other people tend to use.
They should always send up red flags that any statement using them may be an ingenuous attempt to control others.
Your comment is a bright shining example of someone doing this.
Go fuck off and learn to control yourself first.
Yes, but if we can't agree on what the facts are then we're back to our beliefs.
Right now, even, you're trying to espouse something that is most certainly not fact as fact which diminishes the meaning of the word entirely.
It also diminishes the effectiveness of arguing truth when you're willing to lie about what's a fact.
No, I always said you were entitled to your beliefs. If you think they are true, that's fine. I'm not discrediting you nor do I think my beliefs are absolute fact.
Nope, you're just saying that your beliefs are sufficient grounds for being a dick to people you hate.
I'm absolutely not going to tolerate intolerance. If you want to make a shitty bigoted argument, you should be prepared to be called a bigot, because that's exactly what you are.
Your beliefs are not valid, and we don't have to protect you from criticism. The existence of trans people is not a matter of fucking faith.
I can tell you're too emotional to engage in this discussion civilly, so I'm going to have to ignore you.
You're allowed to be upset, but I don't have to take your constant insults and abuse. Goodbye.
Bigots are all such entitled babies.
You broke the social contract by being a bigot. You refuse to treat trans people with respect and goodwill, yet expect it from others.
I hope lemmy's mods never start acting like reddit mods. I hope they never start protecting bigots. (EDIT: sadly, that ship just sailed.) Bigots have too many platforms where they are welcome already.
Where bigots are welcome, no one else is.
Why did that ship just sail? Did I miss something?
That's nice, but irrelevant to this thread.
I believe it's the only thing in the universe that can possibly be relevant in any context.
That's nice. I'm going to ignore you now.
Sure is neat how quickly you go from "we shouldn't let trans people use public restrooms because of bigots' beliefs and you're a bigot for disagreeing" to ignoring me for mine.
I believe you should listen to and agree with everything I say. How dare you attack my beliefs, bigot.
Your comment was removed for endorsing transphobia, now you're temp banned for repeating it.
That's weird cuz most of them do it at home.
Not with strangers and not at the same time.
Are you implying that in public restrooms people share the same stall?
Also the strangers thing ain't exactly solved by having one gender bathroom is it? So that seems like a moot point to me.
No, they share the same room.
I'm not trying to justify their reasons, so there's not much of a point in trying to argue with me.
If you think women have no reason to be afraid or uncomfortable sharing bathrooms with men, that's fine. A significant portion of them will disagree with you, though. If you are unsure of or question their reasoning, you'd be better off communicating with them since I do not share their sentiment.
Edit: I just got a reply from RedSeries saying trans women are afraid to share bathrooms with men. Perhaps you can discuss with she/her about the merits on why.
In the scenario I described to you trans people are much more comfortable than have 2 sex bathrooms.
A single sex bathroom means there is no choice that need to be made. They do not have to present as anything, nor be judged as anything. It is simply a person in a public room, and a private room for the private time.
It also means (as I described it) the sharing of the hand washing mirror facilities are barely different than being in the hallway. Do people share hallways? Of course. So this open to the public space adds a level of protection.
Then for the private space it is single use. One person.
I feel like I am having a hard time getting this across, and I don't know why.
Because they're just moving the goalposts until you "slip" and say something that confirms their biases against you. Being "right" is never the goal.